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good evening ladies and gentlemen

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welcome to the program

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I am your host the christen George Gazoo

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ger and you have entropy then of more

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pull your chair up to the fire grab your

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glass of scotch or pretty much anything

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you have

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that's alcoholic it is Friday nights we

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are sitting down with one of these

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world's greatest competitive

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cosmologists if not the greatest

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comparative cosmologists alive today the

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great

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Laird Scranton who has been so kind to

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provide his presence and grace us and me

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and you with his and Burt why to be

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discussing a book that I wish I'd had

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Hindi the wherewithal of energy and just

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overall observational ability to bring

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him on here when it came out and

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fortunately as some of you know a little

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busy but thankfully it begins summertime

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we were able to correct that and I'm

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glad I can share with all of you now

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it's it's a big weekend my daughter six

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months old we have new patrons who have

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joined and things are just getting into

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summer mode and I gotta say it makes me

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feel real feel privileged to be doing

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this show for all of you I just make

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sure I get this

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it looks like it's its own studio back

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here and you know even with all the

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summer hubbub and us moving to

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Thursday's next week it still allows me

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all of you on the direction for the

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show's going we are expanding the

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graphics improving things as you can see

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making them seem a little more

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futuristic future if you would although

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music off I don't even it's gonna there

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we go that's good I don't know how to

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follow that okay so thank you all for

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joining on the program I intros for as I

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try to watch it for different monitors

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recently join and I know that my first

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in my patreon inbox so I need to make

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very certain that I get both of these

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taken care of

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posthaste in the meantime I'm gonna

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bring Laird on air Laird how you doin

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you're looking fantastic

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oh thanks I'm doing great you know

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life's life is pretty good been sort of

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chasing our tails the last couple of

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weeks so we've been traveling and just

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back home trying to get back settle down

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we've had a number of personal sorts of

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things to attend to a new car an old car

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died new car acquired numerous other

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things so here are the stuff of life

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I've been there before

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trust me new cars are always fun I do

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see you got a nice red one of course the

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colors the most important parts oh well

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of course and you know there's there's

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your one rather right are the most

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highly rated I hear well it was very

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surprising that you weren't the one in

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the front seat for that one we were

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driving a 15 year old Ford Taurus

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station wagon the quintessential mom car

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but when you're raising kids and you

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hate me you need a lot of storage space

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[Laughter]

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from college exactly or you're a few

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years away from that you have a couple

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of years before I'm gonna take as much

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oh my goodness I'm hoping that is a

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couple years away the costs for by then

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are gonna be insane and I'm like I just

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how many think Meg how many kids do you

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want just one okay all right I can work

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with that and as a special thanks to to

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Lynne who is our new new patron

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just joined for the intro show because

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we were talking about last week's

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episode and comparing it to your work

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because there is some overlap and what

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we're in a you know compare and contrast

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and compare notes after class as it were

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so I have to ask I know that you would

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mention the last time when your book

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which was released independently and

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available still at amazon.com on it it's

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in paperback as well as in Kindle I

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believe or is it just in paperback stone

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with the seeking the primordial look is

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just him in paperback the creates based

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options to produce the book don't lend

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themselves to Kindle really not even

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even the the sample they automatically

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forward a sample that supposedly is

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Kindle already and couldn't get it

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format right for Kindle in any any

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format oh that's an that's unfortunate

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but you know if you got a paperback copy

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and I think I actually flipped the ones

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gonna I have to think something just

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very quickly I'm when when I had seen

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the book and I think it was Joshua who

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had received his copy it's something a

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lot more personal on you when you

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actually have an author that you know

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you've listened to every single

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interview of him and you actually

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received that physical copy of it and

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there's something to be said when it

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comes to Kendall and and that

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convenience but you know the physical

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that that tried-and-true hold in your

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hands is always just makes you feel warm

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tingly well you know we're we're neo

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Alma if we can't tap it into a tablet it

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doesn't count so you have to get eggs if

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it's in stone you'll never forget it

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because it lasts forever the the new

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book on the male on the memory or is it

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Harry Mallory and I have been

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keep it together Chris you have been

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talking about this for some time and we

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would first approach the subject summer

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last year when I managed to get some

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information dragged out of you which

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hadn't been

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- err yet and I have to say was one of

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my favorite shows of all time and you

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know you would hinted at it and I'm like

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okay well you know who hasn't picked

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this book up or is it gonna be released

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in 2018 and we're actually here talking

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about it and I didn't have a chance to

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review last year's notes on it so it can

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give us a brief rundown on the the

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overall arching premise and how you how

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did you approach even the premise itself

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you talking about the Maori book yeah

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our ebook yes but the Maori book

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actually began it started to be my

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second book I became aware when I was

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studying the Dogon very early on that

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the Maori have a concept of an atom

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referred to as the POE that's a very

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close match to the Dogon concept and

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it's presented in the context of a

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presentation with the Maori culture is

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very similar to the Dogon so I could

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tell upfront that I had had two

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traditions that somehow were connected

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even though it didn't seem like they

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should be and my intention was to write

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the Maori book as a second book but that

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manuscript kept getting bumped by other

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material that seemed to be more urgent

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and more pressing and that seemed to

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follow more logically in a path of

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research and so the Maori book just kept

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getting shuffled off and shuffled off

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now as it turns out I feel fortunate

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that that happened because as it turns

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out the Maori tradition ties to every

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culture and every era that I've written

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about and if I had written about it

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early in my process I wouldn't realize

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that I wouldn't have seen those

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connections

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now I know that one the pollinates it

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isn't Polynesia isn't more in Oceania we

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Polynesia is all around that area of the

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Pacific at the Maori air about as far

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west as that extends now this is coming

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from from Jackie from across the pond

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one of our illustrious masters and she's

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the she's the person who keeps me honest

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whenever she sends me in a question I

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always make sure that I can get in there

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cuz she cannot usually listen live and

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if she does I want to make sure they're

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out of the way because it's goodness

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knows what time in the morning there so

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Jackie this one's for you hope

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everything's coming so off well I hope

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everything's going well for you too

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Jackie did I miss this one I did I'm it

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I did miss this one load earlier message

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oh and scroll down

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okay so patreon stacks everything up

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like Facebook messages but you've got

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several different ones so even if I

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click on the latest one

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it starts from back at the top of the

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top of the chain

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I had UX guys come on I'm really looking

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out for I hope you are all well I'm

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really looking forward to your show with

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Laird Scranton sadly I will not be able

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to see it live however I will watch it

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tomorrow

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I know it's Edie and it's not a

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masterclass but I would would it be

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possible to ask Laird two questions and

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again anybody can ask any questions

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whether it's master class or not if you

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have a question I will make sure that

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his contact information that is

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available through his website is on the

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website as well so you can send them an

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email to catch up and if you have any

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questions for his next show with us just

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send them to me I know that does the

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number-8 have any significance in Maori

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tradition and this is the second part

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can the word parents in Maori creation

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tradition be linked to androgynous in

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first of all the number 8 is significant

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across the cultures that I study

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including the Maori and it expresses

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itself in a number of different ways but

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it always pertains to the same symbolism

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ultimately the number 7 and 8 from the

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Dogon perspective what we're talking

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about are stages of formation of a

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primary a primary component of matter

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called the Douglas fir - it is the

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Popeil ooh this is the calabi-yau space

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of string theory and it expresses itself

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in eight physical stages and one

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conceptual one that's why it's sometimes

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I'm sorry seven collegiate in one

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conceptual one which is why it's

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sometimes Express Express as seven

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sometimes is eighth the eighth stage is

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essentially the bursting of a bubble

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that also initiates the formation of a

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next the next bubble okay so it's a

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shared stage between two structures as

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far as whether the concept of parents

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for the maori connected to and rajan

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eight for the Dogon it does in an odd

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way what we see in this creation

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tradition are symbolic reversals that

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happen about midway through the

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tradition if we're talking at 12,000

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years span of time about 6,000 years or

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somewhere after that we start seeing

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cross-culturally reversals in symbolism

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now the Dogon are dedicated to

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preserving original forms and so even

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though the influences that are causing

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these reversals in symbolism dictate

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that they now have to reverse certain

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things they effectively roll their eyes

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when they do it one of the things that

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were versus is masculine feminine and so

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when that you asked the Dogon about

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their tribal God

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because of reversals and symbolism they

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have to represent a deity who was

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originally considered to be feminine as

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being masculine and so they sort of

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heads they say well in truth Allah our

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Creator God is actually both male and

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female and that's where the concept of

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and drogyny comes from by the time you

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get to the Maori tradition which is much

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later tradition patriarchy has as

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supplanted make matriarchy pretty

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effectively and so you have things

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overtly represented as being masculine

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that in other traditions might be

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feminine but you have very odd things

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also crop up because of that now you

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have deities who are supposedly male

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according to the representation of the

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Maori but there's an old myth that

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explains how the may of God was

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presented as a bride to another deity

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this sounds very similar last what we

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had : hater who is from Australian he's

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one of the individuals who has a lot of

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claims and information regarding the

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cosmology of the Gossard glyphs that are

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found just inside of Sydney and one

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interesting fact that he brought up was

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that a qu foo was actually a woman and

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not a man and the standard line of

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thinking and obviously that's something

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we don't necessarily subscribe to 100%

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here on the show is it's interesting

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because it's not the first time I've

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actually heard that and it's not the

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first time I've actually read it it is

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is that something that is also

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considered when looking at Maori

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tradition not just from a cosmological

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standpoint but like even history and

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symbolism like is is everything

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potentially flipped and does that relate

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to the idea of esoteric and exoteric as

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a dichotomy where it comes out of these

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reversals and symbolism the way you can

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think of it and have it make sense to

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you is an example I use is imagine a

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group of people on a cross-country

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flight flying from New York City to Los

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Angeles let's say or what you travel

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when I pass out I don't worry about that

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well chances are if you're on that plane

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you don't talk to very many people you

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probably don't know anybody else on the

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flight and yet by the time you get to

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your destination everybody on the flight

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has switched their watch by three hours

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mm-hmm now this hasn't happened because

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of communication between the people on

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the flight it happens because they

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understand how time zones work and they

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realize that when they get to the West

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Coast the time zone has differed and so

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they changed their representation of

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time the same thing is true with

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symbolism that there are eras prescribed

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eras to the symbolism and so as time

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progresses and we pass certain markers

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in the in these eras each culture knows

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because of their own training that

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certain symbolism needs to be reversed

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it no longer applies the way that it

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previously did best way to explain that

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is which in the archaic formulation

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we're talking about pairs of universes

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one one that is less material and one is

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more material oh I remember the dynamic

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of energy between the universe is we're

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sort of like an hourglass sand in an

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hourglass now if you start out you take

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a fresh hourglass turn it over so all

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the sands on top draining to the bottom

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initially the upper globe is the the

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more it has the more sand and the lower

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globe has the less sand but once you

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pass the midpoint of the process those

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roles reverse the lower globe now

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suddenly has the more sand and the top

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globe has the less sand this is what

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happens with non materiality and

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materiality scrolling energies caused

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the the one that was previously less

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material to become more material and

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then vice versa there's a dynamic a

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cyclical dynamic going on and so if the

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symbol for non material universe or less

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material universe is a circle and the

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circle and the symbol of a square is a

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symbol for a more material universe then

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in archaic times our universe which at

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that time was less material would be

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symbolized by a circle

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halfway through the process it suddenly

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becomes symbolized by a square this is

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one of the ways we know that the

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Egyptian pyramids were built in the

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second half of one of these cycles they

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have squared bases that represent the

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earth when we compare a Dogon shrine it

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has a circular base a stupa Buddhist

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stupa shrine which is the same form as a

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square base we know simply from the form

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that one is our K ik another one's more

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recent now if we're looking at that type

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of symbolism are we expecting are we

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expecting the differences between the

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Dogon and the Maori to be very similar

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or is the main like was that the main

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purpose of the investigation to see what

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similarities were there and if if so

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what we're kind of the main interesting

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I'm gonna say like sticking points but

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like even just stuff you didn't

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necessarily expect that cropped up well

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in my initial comparison comparisons I

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didn't understand how the era of these

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different errors of these two cultures

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may would affect how things present the

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Dogon tradition represents things as

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they were in ancient Egypt around 3,000

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BC but the cosmology that is being

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preserved is much older than that it

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might date back to 10,000 BC the Maori

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didn't even arrive in New Zealand

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divided traditional viewpoints until

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around 1100 AD so there are thousands

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and thousands of years that of time that

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have passed between the tradition as it

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appears in the Dogon hands and as it

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appears in the Maori hands so I had my

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own questions about how much of it an

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overlap I was going to see because I

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don't know how the game of telephone

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works and most cultures are not in a

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position to to be on top of that to

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prevent the effects of the game of

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telephone from affecting their symbolism

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as it turns out language is one of the

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keys if you go if you start with a maori

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comparative dictionary it's a

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actually it's a maori polynesian

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comparative dictionary written by Edward

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trig ear so that he's giving us

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definitions of Maori words but the same

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concepts apply throughout Polynesia

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pretty much and so trickier also gives

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us nuances of meanings from other

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Polynesian tribes and so when you look

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at that dictionary you discover or not a

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quite a bit of overlap with with all of

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these areas that I've studied that are

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more ancient better yet the original

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cosmology was phonetic in value it was

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an oral tradition so symbolism that we

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would expect to occur in Egypt between a

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written glyph and a meaning in the Dogon

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situation the concept relates to a

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phonetic value not to a symbol

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necessarily so syllables there are root

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syllables that carry meanings now the

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Maori language is based on those were

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same root syllables and so when I look

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at a Maori word even though they take

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more complicated forms and the Dogon

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words do it's like mixing and matching

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these syllables to produce more

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complicated concepts and so very often I

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can predict the meaning of a Maori word

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having no knowledge of it ahead of time

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simply based on what the phonetics are

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okay and if the phonetics have meaning

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would that is is that because it's just

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a way to be able to encode the

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information or the expecting some type

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of effect out of it like would it be

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considered a and I know this this may be

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for to summer for more non woo listeners

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it may sound woo or and it to some of

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our more esoteric and occult listeners

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this may just be up your alley are the

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words of power

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well cosmology and the occult are two

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sides of a coin in Maori culture anyone

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who studies cosmology is precluded from

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studying the health this is true in

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other cultures like the Dogon also and

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so very often when you were the

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traditions I'm working with are focused

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on the preservation of

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logical meanings and so there are

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orientation for the most part isn't

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towards the occult and it's almost

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automatically not towards the occult but

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there is a suggestion that there could

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be an occult side to all of this well

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this is also one thing one aspect didn't

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everyone take a shot on this one an

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aspect of Freemasonry which as some of

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you know I'm a I'm a member of

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Illuminati confirmed and the concept of

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the tetragrammaton being the four-letter

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word that is supposed to symbolize the

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true Word of God or Yahweh as its termed

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in in the the Bible is a it's that

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four-letter syllable that four-letter

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construction of well that that name each

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one having its own particular

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pronunciation hence the term the

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tetragrammaton where you've got the four

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the four letters each letter is its own

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sound which then has a certain meaning

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to it but obviously if you understand

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anything regarding Ebru or hebrew it the

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way that it's normally written is well

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that that isn't the way the Hebrews

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actually said it in the first place so

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is this that type of that that type of

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comparison like can can this also be

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applied from you know to to the Maori

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language there is a side to Maori

544
00:24:11,380 --> 00:24:09,200
priesthood that is a cult and an

545
00:24:13,660 --> 00:24:11,390
initiate who studies the occult in Maori

546
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:13,670
culture in traditional times in ancient

547
00:24:19,870 --> 00:24:17,690
times or older eras in order to graduate

548
00:24:23,500 --> 00:24:19,880
was required to use magic to kill a

549
00:24:26,830 --> 00:24:23,510
person and the closer the relationship

550
00:24:29,380 --> 00:24:26,840
of the person to the to the initiate the

551
00:24:33,850 --> 00:24:29,390
more of the clearer demonstration it was

552
00:24:37,090 --> 00:24:33,860
of the power of the initiate that aspect

553
00:24:40,540 --> 00:24:37,100
of the cosmology is not a typical aspect

554
00:24:43,300 --> 00:24:40,550
of any of the traditions I study but it

555
00:24:46,630 --> 00:24:43,310
absolutely is there among the the Maori

556
00:24:49,630 --> 00:24:46,640
and to the extent that language or words

557
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:49,640
of power are the way of affecting that I

558
00:24:57,310 --> 00:24:52,250
can't say that that's not true

559
00:25:03,080 --> 00:24:59,600
there are there's a sense that it would

560
00:25:05,690 --> 00:25:03,090
undercut my research to shift the focus

561
00:25:09,009 --> 00:25:05,700
to the the occult side of this stuff so

562
00:25:14,779 --> 00:25:09,019
I haven't really explored it very deeply

563
00:25:16,279 --> 00:25:14,789
okay okay so if if like if okay so

564
00:25:19,460 --> 00:25:16,289
staying staying away from the the occult

565
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:19,470
side because that obviously if it's a

566
00:25:23,690 --> 00:25:21,690
sort of thing it's always a cool

567
00:25:25,279 --> 00:25:23,700
subjective able to discuss but at the

568
00:25:27,019 --> 00:25:25,289
same time if you're not very read up on

569
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:27,029
it and obviously if we're talking about

570
00:25:30,499 --> 00:25:29,490
oh hey this is you know there's some

571
00:25:35,090 --> 00:25:30,509
aspects of it that may not necessarily

572
00:25:37,789 --> 00:25:35,100
be very easy to talk about as you would

573
00:25:40,340 --> 00:25:37,799
mentioned what about the symbolism

574
00:25:41,539 --> 00:25:40,350
itself I've been noticing in the

575
00:25:43,249 --> 00:25:41,549
researchers that I have done with

576
00:25:44,690 --> 00:25:43,259
regards to the symbolism is the

577
00:25:47,149 --> 00:25:44,700
intricate carvings that the Maori are

578
00:25:49,190 --> 00:25:47,159
very well known for some have been

579
00:25:52,220 --> 00:25:49,200
carried on and that skill has been

580
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:52,230
carried on even to today but it is as

581
00:25:55,850 --> 00:25:54,210
you'd you know said possibly a thousand

582
00:25:58,399 --> 00:25:55,860
or years or just a little bit older if

583
00:26:02,509 --> 00:25:58,409
they have ventured from other islands on

584
00:26:05,210 --> 00:26:02,519
to the new zealand islands what one in

585
00:26:06,499 --> 00:26:05,220
particular about the carvings that

586
00:26:09,529 --> 00:26:06,509
you've been able to find is consistent

587
00:26:13,070 --> 00:26:09,539
between let's say the the Dogon or let's

588
00:26:15,889 --> 00:26:13,080
say you know Buddhists from Tibet's and

589
00:26:20,139 --> 00:26:15,899
and even found in skara brae well there

590
00:26:22,879 --> 00:26:20,149
are practices that are common one of the

591
00:26:27,049 --> 00:26:22,889
one of the traditional icons of Ganesha

592
00:26:31,369 --> 00:26:27,059
in India takes the form of a sort of a

593
00:26:34,100 --> 00:26:31,379
formless rock that was painted with red

594
00:26:37,220 --> 00:26:34,110
paint usually these would appear it

595
00:26:39,110 --> 00:26:37,230
should be in sometimes not even in

596
00:26:42,159 --> 00:26:39,120
obvious places but in sites that were

597
00:26:43,879 --> 00:26:42,169
important to in India that were

598
00:26:45,769 --> 00:26:43,889
religiously significant so you would

599
00:26:48,619 --> 00:26:45,779
find these rocks painted the same is

600
00:26:52,999 --> 00:26:48,629
true in New Zealand that red painted

601
00:26:54,590 --> 00:26:53,009
rocks have a bearing many of the the

602
00:26:57,350 --> 00:26:54,600
most knowledgeable researchers that I've

603
00:27:03,240 --> 00:26:57,360
been working from in order to write my

604
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:06,330
they see see comparability to the

605
00:27:11,490 --> 00:27:09,010
tommy'll in India which is a cultural

606
00:27:13,380 --> 00:27:11,500
group that that dates to ancient times

607
00:27:17,430 --> 00:27:13,390
and two philosophies that are very

608
00:27:18,990 --> 00:27:17,440
ancient but no overt expression of

609
00:27:20,910 --> 00:27:19,000
Hinduism they can't find any evidence of

610
00:27:22,850 --> 00:27:20,920
any Hindu gods and yet they'll find

611
00:27:25,620 --> 00:27:22,860
artifacts with Tamil writing on them and

612
00:27:27,570 --> 00:27:25,630
that's confusing to the researchers how

613
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:27,580
can how can this be a tradition from

614
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:30,450
India that passed down through India and

615
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:33,610
have arrived in New Zealand with

616
00:27:39,660 --> 00:27:37,090
comparability to to Hinduism and

617
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:39,670
Buddhism and a lot of cases but no over

618
00:27:43,470 --> 00:27:41,170
a reference to anything Buddhists or

619
00:27:46,500 --> 00:27:43,480
Hindus and there is also the aspect of

620
00:27:49,170 --> 00:27:46,510
that there are certain proponents of the

621
00:27:52,110 --> 00:27:49,180
into Africa theory which would which

622
00:27:54,030 --> 00:27:52,120
essentially relates their journey from

623
00:27:55,470 --> 00:27:54,040
that part of the world or fly first in

624
00:27:58,800 --> 00:27:55,480
humans in general from that part of the

625
00:28:00,780 --> 00:27:58,810
world into Asia and then on into Africa

626
00:28:03,390 --> 00:28:00,790
after having already emigrated out of

627
00:28:07,770 --> 00:28:03,400
there which would have happened you know

628
00:28:10,650 --> 00:28:07,780
tens of thousands of years ago so is it

629
00:28:12,150 --> 00:28:10,660
possible that's using the oceans that

630
00:28:16,050 --> 00:28:12,160
they would have been able to travel

631
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:16,060
backwards like how have you been able to

632
00:28:23,220 --> 00:28:18,010
track the development from culture to

633
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:23,230
culture let me explain what the lines of

634
00:28:27,060 --> 00:28:24,970
transmission they made the primary lines

635
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:27,070
of transmission I see from the

636
00:28:32,340 --> 00:28:29,650
perspective of Egypt and the Dogon and

637
00:28:35,580 --> 00:28:32,350
that will help us explain what what the

638
00:28:37,590 --> 00:28:35,590
situation with is with the Maori from

639
00:28:40,340 --> 00:28:37,600
what I see the first expression of the

640
00:28:44,220 --> 00:28:40,350
cosmology is that go back to Taipei in

641
00:28:45,870 --> 00:28:44,230
Turkey southeast Turkey this is the

642
00:28:48,900 --> 00:28:45,880
region of the Fertile Crescent around

643
00:28:53,700 --> 00:28:48,910
10,000 BC it's the same region where we

644
00:28:58,610 --> 00:28:53,710
see the first evidence of cultivated

645
00:29:01,050 --> 00:28:58,620
seeds of Agriculture of stone masonry of

646
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:01,060
metallurgy of domesticated animals or

647
00:29:04,650 --> 00:29:02,890
any number of civilizing skills that

648
00:29:06,380 --> 00:29:04,660
make their first appearance in the

649
00:29:10,420 --> 00:29:06,390
Fertile Crescent in that region

650
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:10,430
now we also

651
00:29:15,940 --> 00:29:13,210
see certain add artifacts in Egypt that

652
00:29:18,850 --> 00:29:15,950
have symbolic connection to that same

653
00:29:21,430 --> 00:29:18,860
era or seem to if you accept that you're

654
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:21,440
Robert Bauval zai dia that the three

655
00:29:28,780 --> 00:29:24,410
great largest Pyramids at Giza reflect

656
00:29:30,610 --> 00:29:28,790
the belt stars of Orion at 10,000 BC or

657
00:29:34,540 --> 00:29:30,620
if we accept the idea that goes with

658
00:29:36,250 --> 00:29:34,550
that that the Sphinx the gaze of the

659
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:36,260
Sphinx was towards the constellation of

660
00:29:44,050 --> 00:29:40,850
Leo in the era of 10,000 BC then we're

661
00:29:46,090 --> 00:29:44,060
left for the problem because we either

662
00:29:48,250 --> 00:29:46,100
have to assume that the alignments for

663
00:29:52,170 --> 00:29:48,260
those placements were made in the era of

664
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:52,180
10,000 BC or else we have to somehow

665
00:29:56,170 --> 00:29:54,650
postulate that some later culture had

666
00:29:57,580 --> 00:29:56,180
the ability to Bret respectably

667
00:30:01,030 --> 00:29:57,590
calculate what the alignment should have

668
00:30:03,940 --> 00:30:01,040
been now I find a lot more credible to

669
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:03,950
think that at least the alignments were

670
00:30:09,450 --> 00:30:07,210
made at 10,000 BC and that means we have

671
00:30:13,390 --> 00:30:09,460
what looks like a direct connection from

672
00:30:16,090 --> 00:30:13,400
the the philosophy at gobekli tepe and

673
00:30:18,850 --> 00:30:16,100
the cosmological philosophy in Egypt at

674
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:18,860
10,000 BC so the first line of

675
00:30:23,940 --> 00:30:21,290
transmission is a direct one at 10,000

676
00:30:26,710 --> 00:30:23,950
BC into Egypt the second line of

677
00:30:28,930 --> 00:30:26,720
transmission to Egypt passes down

678
00:30:31,750 --> 00:30:28,940
through India through a group called the

679
00:30:34,510 --> 00:30:31,760
Shakti cult this is a cult whose

680
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:34,520
traditional icons represent all the same

681
00:30:42,510 --> 00:30:36,970
symbolic elements we see at gobekli tepe

682
00:30:53,530 --> 00:30:48,520
stone Cairns animals represented in

683
00:30:55,330 --> 00:30:53,540
stone like the Sphinx animals carved

684
00:30:57,250 --> 00:30:55,340
from natural are outcroppings of rock is

685
00:30:59,370 --> 00:30:57,260
an icon of the Shakti code now the

686
00:31:02,170 --> 00:30:59,380
Shakti called is understood to be

687
00:31:04,750 --> 00:31:02,180
foundational to the traditions in India

688
00:31:07,390 --> 00:31:04,760
all of them but appreciated seemingly

689
00:31:09,340 --> 00:31:07,400
they preceded them and it serves as sort

690
00:31:12,790 --> 00:31:09,350
of a connecting piece to that go back to

691
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:12,800
the happy era now those influences

692
00:31:17,980 --> 00:31:15,410
passed down through India and from what

693
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:17,990
I can see into Egypt at elephantine in

694
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:21,050
the south and around 4000 BC and you

695
00:31:28,340 --> 00:31:23,850
have sister goddesses there

696
00:31:30,350 --> 00:31:28,350
see Santa and aniket who are comparable

697
00:31:33,170 --> 00:31:30,360
to the Shakti sister goddesses and

698
00:31:36,350 --> 00:31:33,180
you've got happy who is a god of

699
00:31:39,620 --> 00:31:36,360
abundance essentially who has symbology

700
00:31:41,570 --> 00:31:39,630
similar to Ganesha so that's the second

701
00:31:45,430 --> 00:31:41,580
line of influence the third line of

702
00:31:49,100 --> 00:31:45,440
influence seems to make its way to

703
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:49,110
northern Scotland around sometime after

704
00:31:55,700 --> 00:31:53,130
4000 BC now there are probably half a

705
00:31:59,000 --> 00:31:55,710
dozen different elements in northern

706
00:32:01,460 --> 00:31:59,010
Scotland that tie through DNA and other

707
00:32:04,790 --> 00:32:01,470
measures to the Fertile Crescent around

708
00:32:10,070 --> 00:32:04,800
6000 BC and so we have item after item

709
00:32:12,410 --> 00:32:10,080
pointing to and almost screaming at us

710
00:32:15,500 --> 00:32:12,420
look the port the origin for the

711
00:32:18,380 --> 00:32:15,510
Scottish tradition at least these

712
00:32:19,550 --> 00:32:18,390
symbolic elements seems to be got it in

713
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:19,560
the Fertile Crescent

714
00:32:24,050 --> 00:32:22,050
we have Orkney sheep a particular

715
00:32:26,780 --> 00:32:24,060
variety of sheep unique to the UK that

716
00:32:29,870 --> 00:32:26,790
have DNA that ties to the Fertile

717
00:32:32,270 --> 00:32:29,880
Crescent at 6000 BC we have a form of

718
00:32:37,010 --> 00:32:32,280
barley that does the same thing we have

719
00:32:40,390 --> 00:32:37,020
a form of vole or mouse on Orkney

720
00:32:42,380 --> 00:32:40,400
Islands that's unique to the UK that

721
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:42,390
testing hasn't been done but I have

722
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:44,130
every reason to think might also tie to

723
00:32:49,580 --> 00:32:46,290
that same region we have a burial

724
00:32:51,890 --> 00:32:49,590
tradition on the inn in Orkney in the UK

725
00:32:54,470 --> 00:32:51,900
that has all of the same aspects as the

726
00:32:56,470 --> 00:32:54,480
Shakti cult burial tradition but that

727
00:32:59,140 --> 00:32:56,480
doesn't hide any tradition tradition and

728
00:33:02,240 --> 00:32:59,150
Scandinavia or into the UK or in Europe

729
00:33:04,070 --> 00:33:02,250
so there's lots of reason to think we

730
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:04,080
had a line of transmission that came at

731
00:33:10,910 --> 00:33:06,930
around 4000 BC sometime between 6,000

732
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:10,920
and 4000 BC directly across from the

733
00:33:16,670 --> 00:33:13,290
Fertile Crescent region to Orkney we can

734
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:16,680
almost trace it by the locales of the

735
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:19,490
bowl or the mouse anthropologists

736
00:33:26,750 --> 00:33:23,370
understand that mice don't travel very

737
00:33:29,210 --> 00:33:26,760
far from where they live and they

738
00:33:34,499 --> 00:33:29,220
migrate with humans and so if you can

739
00:33:36,839 --> 00:33:34,509
follow the DNA of a mouse you can buy

740
00:33:39,629 --> 00:33:36,849
Association follow the the most the

741
00:33:41,759 --> 00:33:39,639
movements of groups of people so this

742
00:33:45,959 --> 00:33:41,769
particular bowl out of the out of Turkey

743
00:33:49,169 --> 00:33:45,969
makes its way down the coastline into

744
00:33:51,659 --> 00:33:49,179
Palestine and then jumps without any

745
00:33:54,899 --> 00:33:51,669
other connecting piece to the northern

746
00:33:56,699 --> 00:33:54,909
tip of Africa and then seemingly jumps

747
00:33:57,180 --> 00:33:56,709
with no connecting piece torch the

748
00:33:59,579 --> 00:33:57,190
island

749
00:34:04,049 --> 00:33:59,589
you can almost trace a path by sea from

750
00:34:09,359 --> 00:34:04,059
the Palestine region to or kane' Orkney

751
00:34:11,519 --> 00:34:09,369
one of the the key villages there are

752
00:34:13,109 --> 00:34:11,529
Neolithic villages is sitting on a place

753
00:34:17,339 --> 00:34:13,119
called the bay of scale

754
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:17,349
now sake' Sakai the word Sakai asuke is

755
00:34:24,240 --> 00:34:19,450
a cosmological term that means to

756
00:34:26,039 --> 00:34:24,250
celebrate and el is a deity of space who

757
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:26,049
went hand in hand with the I and the

758
00:34:32,730 --> 00:34:30,970
Hebrew tradition huh so we have kinetic

759
00:34:36,930 --> 00:34:32,740
connections of that sort that also point

760
00:34:40,619 --> 00:34:36,940
to Palestine as one of the originating

761
00:34:42,720 --> 00:34:40,629
influences on what happens at Orkney and

762
00:34:44,849 --> 00:34:42,730
under working what we okay on working

763
00:34:47,490 --> 00:34:44,859
itself I see Orkney as having been an

764
00:34:49,349 --> 00:34:47,500
instructional sanctuary we have the

765
00:34:52,409 --> 00:34:49,359
beginnings of the stonemason free

766
00:34:57,049 --> 00:34:52,419
masonry tradition in the UK there we M

767
00:35:00,059 --> 00:34:57,059
we have progressive stages of matter

768
00:35:02,309 --> 00:35:00,069
carved in stone as stones megalithic

769
00:35:04,079 --> 00:35:02,319
stone sights on Orkney that are our

770
00:35:08,039 --> 00:35:04,089
progression that lead to this this

771
00:35:09,900 --> 00:35:08,049
village that sits on the bit of scale it

772
00:35:12,390 --> 00:35:09,910
looks like an instruction of sanctuary I

773
00:35:13,890 --> 00:35:12,400
wrote a book called the mystery of skara

774
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:13,900
brae that suggests that this was an

775
00:35:18,839 --> 00:35:16,450
origin for a dynastic Egypt so now that

776
00:35:21,870 --> 00:35:18,849
line of influence of jumps from Crescent

777
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:21,880
to Orkney then jumps back to Egypt by

778
00:35:27,720 --> 00:35:24,970
around 3000 BC obviously this would

779
00:35:29,579 --> 00:35:27,730
bring to mind the question of how did

780
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:29,589
they get there - did they go through

781
00:35:37,349 --> 00:35:34,450
UFOs or some type of portal but yes it's

782
00:35:39,539 --> 00:35:37,359
a possibility but there's the easy

783
00:35:42,900 --> 00:35:39,549
answer that question that that anybody

784
00:35:46,890 --> 00:35:42,910
who's talking in proper terms about how

785
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:46,900
matter forms and three 3000 BC their

786
00:35:57,150 --> 00:35:54,810
I'm also a it I always make this joke of

787
00:35:59,970 --> 00:35:57,160
whenever somebody brings this up and

788
00:36:02,640 --> 00:35:59,980
it's the idea of fast travel if anybody

789
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:02,650
have a place Skyrim or any Elder Scrolls

790
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:05,410
open sandbox game where like how the

791
00:36:09,690 --> 00:36:07,930
world is so large how do you finish it

792
00:36:11,190 --> 00:36:09,700
so quickly like fast travel you start

793
00:36:12,540 --> 00:36:11,200
here you jump to the other side of the

794
00:36:14,430 --> 00:36:12,550
map and all you're doing is you know

795
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:14,440
that loading zone is the hyperspace

796
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:17,050
in-betweens that were so it kind of the

797
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:18,490
same equivalency to that for all for

798
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:21,130
anybody out there who you know is trying

799
00:36:25,410 --> 00:36:23,530
to piece that together I'm also very

800
00:36:27,300 --> 00:36:25,420
interested to know then because this

801
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:27,310
one's coming from Abraham and in YouTube

802
00:36:33,570 --> 00:36:31,090
chat that now with regards to what would

803
00:36:36,359 --> 00:36:33,580
you've mentioned but from the line of

804
00:36:37,260 --> 00:36:36,369
timing and end how these cultures seem

805
00:36:39,690 --> 00:36:37,270
to be connected in terms of their

806
00:36:42,540 --> 00:36:39,700
symbolism witness support the theory

807
00:36:44,609 --> 00:36:42,550
that India did not proceed ancient Egypt

808
00:36:47,070 --> 00:36:44,619
culture taking into consideration that

809
00:36:52,730 --> 00:36:47,080
the the Tamil culture was decoupled from

810
00:36:55,349 --> 00:36:52,740
Hinduism at one point depends on which

811
00:36:59,190 --> 00:36:55,359
which aspect of culture in India we're

812
00:37:00,810 --> 00:36:59,200
talking about the root philosophy of the

813
00:37:03,180 --> 00:37:00,820
traditions I'm setting as a philosophy

814
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:03,190
called samkhya that is again content

815
00:37:09,780 --> 00:37:05,530
foundational to all the traditions in

816
00:37:12,930 --> 00:37:09,790
India but all of its elements are also

817
00:37:15,240 --> 00:37:12,940
found in the Dogon culture and the Dogon

818
00:37:17,910 --> 00:37:15,250
culture this every every reason to think

819
00:37:19,740 --> 00:37:17,920
the Dogon were Egyptian at 3000 BC so

820
00:37:21,210 --> 00:37:19,750
it's pretty clear to me simply because

821
00:37:26,490 --> 00:37:21,220
of the way the philosophy of the

822
00:37:28,650 --> 00:37:26,500
cosmology works that that cosmological

823
00:37:37,020 --> 00:37:28,660
philosophy from India had to have

824
00:37:38,490 --> 00:37:37,030
preceded dynastic Egypt we're talking to

825
00:37:40,710 --> 00:37:38,500
an asked to keep chicken so that's about

826
00:37:43,170 --> 00:37:40,720
30 i'll dependent depending on which

827
00:37:46,980 --> 00:37:43,180
chronology you want to go by could be as

828
00:37:48,510 --> 00:37:46,990
early as 3600 BC if I'm not mistaken and

829
00:37:51,570 --> 00:37:48,520
then you've got your pre-dynastic which

830
00:37:53,849 --> 00:37:51,580
or at least dynasty 0 which i think is

831
00:37:55,050 --> 00:37:53,859
like pseudo dynastic Egypt at this point

832
00:37:56,910 --> 00:37:55,060
because they've revised even that part

833
00:37:59,190 --> 00:37:56,920
and if you're pre-dynastic which is

834
00:38:01,690 --> 00:37:59,200
between potential hunter-gatherers but

835
00:38:04,450 --> 00:38:01,700
they've still found massive

836
00:38:06,100 --> 00:38:04,460
just like battlefields that have had

837
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:06,110
thousands of people fighting on it or

838
00:38:11,170 --> 00:38:08,330
hundreds of people at least you know it

839
00:38:13,780 --> 00:38:11,180
is as late as Orly no as early as about

840
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:13,790
7,000 or 6,000 BC I believe so there

841
00:38:19,930 --> 00:38:18,050
there is much to be there's a difficulty

842
00:38:23,170 --> 00:38:19,940
about some of the interpretations on

843
00:38:26,980 --> 00:38:23,180
Orkney they discovered what they were

844
00:38:30,310 --> 00:38:26,990
certain was evidence of warfare in later

845
00:38:34,570 --> 00:38:30,320
eras after 2600 BC on Orkney and the

846
00:38:36,670 --> 00:38:34,580
evidence of it was mass burials of bones

847
00:38:41,340 --> 00:38:36,680
of bodies that have been dismembered and

848
00:38:46,570 --> 00:38:41,350
sometimes burned with very commonly with

849
00:38:50,020 --> 00:38:46,580
ax wounds on the top of their skulls now

850
00:38:53,980 --> 00:38:50,030
from an archaeologists standpoint this

851
00:38:56,950 --> 00:38:53,990
is your science of warfare what they

852
00:39:00,550 --> 00:38:56,960
missing was that these are all elements

853
00:39:02,350 --> 00:39:00,560
aspect of an own burial tradition of the

854
00:39:05,020 --> 00:39:02,360
Shakti cult that didn't involve warfare

855
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:07,330
in the archaic actually what we have is

856
00:39:16,300 --> 00:39:11,410
a reflection of symbolic reversal

857
00:39:19,450 --> 00:39:16,310
in the archaic era what the goal was

858
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:19,460
when a person died was to help them to

859
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:21,170
ascend through the top of their skull

860
00:39:27,220 --> 00:39:23,570
and so tops of the skull were opened to

861
00:39:30,250 --> 00:39:27,230
allow that that same tradition when we

862
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:30,260
reverse it for the later era the goal is

863
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:33,050
to allow the deceased person's soul to

864
00:39:37,510 --> 00:39:35,690
be reborn in the material world and the

865
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:37,520
way they do that is through the opening

866
00:39:44,860 --> 00:39:41,530
of the mouth material creation is spoken

867
00:39:46,300 --> 00:39:44,870
ascension happens as energy Shakti

868
00:39:48,670 --> 00:39:46,310
energy that passes through the top of

869
00:39:51,340 --> 00:39:48,680
the skull in India now if you go to the

870
00:39:52,750 --> 00:39:51,350
Egyptian word that refers to the opening

871
00:39:55,900 --> 00:39:52,760
of the mouth ceremony it's written with

872
00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:55,910
two glyphs one glyph is a glyph the

873
00:40:00,130 --> 00:39:58,010
budge says refers to the Todd the crown

874
00:40:04,330 --> 00:40:00,140
of the skull and the other glyph tis a

875
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:04,340
mouth so the very form of the word for

876
00:40:08,620 --> 00:40:06,410
the tradition embodies both halves of

877
00:40:10,810 --> 00:40:08,630
the symbolism it reflects both halves of

878
00:40:13,270 --> 00:40:10,820
the symbolism so when we say in Egypt

879
00:40:14,540 --> 00:40:13,280
they have evidence of mass warfare in

880
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:14,550
archaic times

881
00:40:19,010 --> 00:40:16,530
they might not from my perspective from

882
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:19,020
my perspective what they may be seeing

883
00:40:22,970 --> 00:40:21,090
is evidence of that same burial

884
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:22,980
tradition as which should be an archaic

885
00:40:30,740 --> 00:40:25,890
tradition should appear in pre-dynastic

886
00:40:33,710 --> 00:40:30,750
times as opposed to a stick times now

887
00:40:36,980 --> 00:40:33,720
just a tangent that changing changing

888
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:36,990
tact tack or a direction at least for a

889
00:40:43,340 --> 00:40:40,410
moment if knowing that the symbol is

890
00:40:45,980 --> 00:40:43,350
symbols can relate you through history

891
00:40:47,330 --> 00:40:45,990
and be the same whether you've got

892
00:40:47,720 --> 00:40:47,340
different slightly different commence ei

893
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:47,730
shion's

894
00:40:54,130 --> 00:40:49,290
but the overall meaning and the

895
00:40:57,050 --> 00:40:54,140
symbolism stays the same I did you watch

896
00:41:00,020 --> 00:40:57,060
Roberts show on co robic experience

897
00:41:02,810 --> 00:41:00,030
yesterday all right I know I didn't see

898
00:41:04,010 --> 00:41:02,820
it we've been chasing as I say trying to

899
00:41:05,630 --> 00:41:04,020
catch up with ourselves since our trip

900
00:41:06,710 --> 00:41:05,640
okay this may actually be perfect then

901
00:41:09,109 --> 00:41:06,720
because then you know you haven't

902
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:09,119
actually seen it on the show and you may

903
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:11,010
be able to provide your perspective on

904
00:41:18,620 --> 00:41:16,770
this a kanga mask yes now the phonetics

905
00:41:22,450 --> 00:41:18,630
of the cosmology tell us what that means

906
00:41:24,770 --> 00:41:22,460
kah represents the concept of an embrace

907
00:41:30,010 --> 00:41:24,780
you might be familiar with the Egyptian

908
00:41:32,390 --> 00:41:30,020
glyph that's two raised arms connected

909
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:32,400
sometimes that's the phonetic value that

910
00:41:36,290 --> 00:41:34,290
goes with that is kah it represents the

911
00:41:38,180 --> 00:41:36,300
concept of embrace the same thing that's

912
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:38,190
represented by the the arms on the

913
00:41:43,550 --> 00:41:41,490
gobekli tepe pillar mm-hmm nah it's the

914
00:41:46,300 --> 00:41:43,560
concept of the feminine it's a symbolic

915
00:41:48,109 --> 00:41:46,310
with non material and the gaw is

916
00:41:50,420 --> 00:41:48,119
representative of the concept of

917
00:41:53,540 --> 00:41:50,430
temporality which associates with the

918
00:41:58,460 --> 00:41:53,550
material so kaga is an embrace between

919
00:42:00,349 --> 00:41:58,470
the feminine and the end material now I

920
00:42:05,240 --> 00:42:00,359
believe that this was mentioned by by

921
00:42:10,450 --> 00:42:05,250
dr. Schaack that's the concept could

922
00:42:13,580 --> 00:42:10,460
possibly have arisen from an aspect of

923
00:42:16,849 --> 00:42:13,590
just general observations of a potential

924
00:42:19,070 --> 00:42:16,859
coronal mass ejection which had at least

925
00:42:21,020 --> 00:42:19,080
seems to from the evidence correspond

926
00:42:23,890 --> 00:42:21,030
also with the cope with the Younger

927
00:42:25,910 --> 00:42:23,900
Dryas comet impact theory because I

928
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:25,920
believe it was actually stated that

929
00:42:28,250 --> 00:42:27,690
believe it or not what the one could

930
00:42:30,170 --> 00:42:28,260
have caused the

931
00:42:33,650 --> 00:42:30,180
other which i think is just kind of

932
00:42:36,050 --> 00:42:33,660
really sucks for those guys so get here

933
00:42:38,180 --> 00:42:36,060
here's a 200 kilometer asteroid comet

934
00:42:40,430 --> 00:42:38,190
that's gonna hitch with a 2 kilometer

935
00:42:42,230 --> 00:42:40,440
piece of it and oh by the way yeah

936
00:42:43,430 --> 00:42:42,240
here's this this crow mass ejection

937
00:42:45,620 --> 00:42:43,440
that'll slam into the planet as well

938
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:45,630
shortly afterwards it's a really bad

939
00:42:51,590 --> 00:42:48,650
week so you think I got bad people yeah

940
00:42:53,540 --> 00:42:51,600
nothing on that and this is what they

941
00:42:55,550 --> 00:42:53,550
had seen in the sky based on a massive

942
00:42:58,850 --> 00:42:55,560
chronal mass ejection dropping that much

943
00:43:01,460 --> 00:42:58,860
ionized material into the atmosphere at

944
00:43:04,070 --> 00:43:01,470
you know one time and and just it

945
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:04,080
dealing being dealt with in that way and

946
00:43:09,620 --> 00:43:06,810
other aspects are anthropomorphic forms

947
00:43:11,150 --> 00:43:09,630
of birds or wind serpents which seems to

948
00:43:12,380 --> 00:43:11,160
bring a lot of imagery especially when

949
00:43:15,730 --> 00:43:12,390
you're relating it to the Dogon the

950
00:43:18,860 --> 00:43:15,740
Egyptians the the the the memory the

951
00:43:20,930 --> 00:43:18,870
South Americans you know the Hopi

952
00:43:24,740 --> 00:43:20,940
Indians on the western United States

953
00:43:26,810 --> 00:43:24,750
Coast and into the interior and it leads

954
00:43:28,010 --> 00:43:26,820
to that idea of well where is this

955
00:43:29,720 --> 00:43:28,020
coming from is this something that's

956
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:29,730
natural made or again as you'd mentioned

957
00:43:36,700 --> 00:43:33,810
is it because we are part of a dual

958
00:43:39,350 --> 00:43:36,710
nature universe that seems to have

959
00:43:41,030 --> 00:43:39,360
possible contact with one another well

960
00:43:43,730 --> 00:43:41,040
when you have a symbol like this that is

961
00:43:47,930 --> 00:43:43,740
so pervasive there are only three

962
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:47,940
possibilities one is that it's a shape

963
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:51,450
that they all saw the way Robert Schoch

964
00:43:56,750 --> 00:43:54,210
believes which is I can't say that it

965
00:43:58,490 --> 00:43:56,760
isn't that might be true because the

966
00:44:00,950 --> 00:43:58,500
energetic dynamic that defines the

967
00:44:03,410 --> 00:44:00,960
universe is each of the energetic

968
00:44:07,430 --> 00:44:03,420
dynamics that define the processes of

969
00:44:09,790 --> 00:44:07,440
creation at a microcosmic scale play out

970
00:44:14,420 --> 00:44:09,800
in similar form all the way up the chain

971
00:44:16,010 --> 00:44:14,430
so what's true at the level of the

972
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:16,020
quantum world or tree of the Croods

973
00:44:23,410 --> 00:44:17,970
level of atoms is also true at the level

974
00:44:26,060 --> 00:44:23,420
of solar systems and and galaxies so

975
00:44:28,970 --> 00:44:26,070
this is an energetic shape according to

976
00:44:30,290 --> 00:44:28,980
the Dogon tradition and as such it

977
00:44:35,150 --> 00:44:30,300
certainly could be seen in some other

978
00:44:36,980 --> 00:44:35,160
form that that has parallel import onto

979
00:44:38,510 --> 00:44:36,990
whatever level you see it on so that's

980
00:44:41,300 --> 00:44:38,520
one possibility as they could all see

981
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:41,310
the same shape the second possibility

982
00:44:44,519 --> 00:44:42,130
which is the

983
00:44:47,220 --> 00:44:44,529
that's represented explicitly by the

984
00:44:48,359 --> 00:44:47,230
Dogon and the Buddhist is that they all

985
00:44:51,839 --> 00:44:48,369
knew about it because they had all been

986
00:44:53,609 --> 00:44:51,849
instructed about it hmm the third

987
00:44:57,029 --> 00:44:53,619
possibility is that both of those things

988
00:44:59,640 --> 00:44:57,039
are true Buddhism says that it according

989
00:45:02,039 --> 00:44:59,650
to the cycles of the Yuga that there are

990
00:45:03,930 --> 00:45:02,049
errors in which Humanity is more able to

991
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:03,940
perceive things not material than we are

992
00:45:07,049 --> 00:45:04,450
now

993
00:45:09,059 --> 00:45:07,059
so it's quite possible that they had

994
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:09,069
been instructed about it knew about it

995
00:45:16,079 --> 00:45:14,650
and were able to see it and then at that

996
00:45:19,349 --> 00:45:16,089
point they've incorporated into their

997
00:45:20,670 --> 00:45:19,359
symbolism to signify a bulb something

998
00:45:21,930 --> 00:45:20,680
that's very significant to that

999
00:45:24,089 --> 00:45:21,940
particular culture and something that

1000
00:45:26,549 --> 00:45:24,099
they wanted to lose to communicate now

1001
00:45:28,670 --> 00:45:26,559
one way we can distinguish is for

1002
00:45:31,140 --> 00:45:28,680
example their arguments that

1003
00:45:33,749 --> 00:45:31,150
construction of pyramids represents

1004
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:33,759
parallel development that any any

1005
00:45:39,539 --> 00:45:36,970
culture who thinks to stack I to build

1006
00:45:41,700 --> 00:45:39,549
with stone will eventually decide or

1007
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:41,710
will eventually think to stack those

1008
00:45:44,370 --> 00:45:43,210
stones up to me in the shape of a

1009
00:45:46,829 --> 00:45:44,380
pyramid they're only so many things you

1010
00:45:48,870 --> 00:45:46,839
could do with stones so it's quite

1011
00:45:50,819 --> 00:45:48,880
possible that two cultures build

1012
00:45:54,660 --> 00:45:50,829
pyramids simply because that's what you

1013
00:45:56,789 --> 00:45:54,670
do with stone the problem is there's

1014
00:45:58,829 --> 00:45:56,799
also very complex symbolism that goes

1015
00:46:00,870 --> 00:45:58,839
with that structure that we find from

1016
00:46:03,059 --> 00:46:00,880
culture to culture to culture

1017
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:03,069
it represents the womb of a woman lying

1018
00:46:07,950 --> 00:46:05,890
on her back the four phases of the

1019
00:46:10,079 --> 00:46:07,960
pyramid are you are associated with star

1020
00:46:10,529 --> 00:46:10,089
groups that regulate the agricultural

1021
00:46:14,940 --> 00:46:10,539
cycle

1022
00:46:17,339 --> 00:46:14,950
this is symbolism of a complexity that a

1023
00:46:18,900 --> 00:46:17,349
person who makes the choice to stack up

1024
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:18,910
a bunch of stones doesn't automatically

1025
00:46:23,309 --> 00:46:20,650
think of and the fact that the same

1026
00:46:26,269 --> 00:46:23,319
symbolism appears in all these different

1027
00:46:28,799 --> 00:46:26,279
cultures connected to that same form

1028
00:46:34,470 --> 00:46:28,809
implies the influence of a system of

1029
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:34,480
thought not simply a common impulse to

1030
00:46:39,890 --> 00:46:37,930
build something and so so the way to

1031
00:46:43,109 --> 00:46:39,900
distinguish with this Kanaga symbol

1032
00:46:44,940 --> 00:46:43,119
ultimately would be to find out what

1033
00:46:47,039 --> 00:46:44,950
does that shape symbolize for the

1034
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:47,049
culture that represents it and if it

1035
00:46:51,749 --> 00:46:49,450
symbolizes the very same thing that it

1036
00:46:54,180 --> 00:46:51,759
symbolizes for the Dogon and for other

1037
00:46:55,620 --> 00:46:54,190
cultures then you can infer the

1038
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:55,630
influence of a and its

1039
00:47:00,210 --> 00:46:57,370
director tradition not just seeing a

1040
00:47:02,130 --> 00:47:00,220
sign in the sky because seeing the shape

1041
00:47:06,270 --> 00:47:02,140
will get them to draw it it won't get

1042
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:06,280
them the complex symbolism and if you're

1043
00:47:12,570 --> 00:47:08,610
looking at being able to draw it it is

1044
00:47:15,030 --> 00:47:12,580
how could this also relate to the

1045
00:47:17,940 --> 00:47:15,040
cosmology with relation to the beings

1046
00:47:19,290 --> 00:47:17,950
themselves this is something that you

1047
00:47:24,180 --> 00:47:19,300
know has been looked at or has been

1048
00:47:28,350 --> 00:47:24,190
considered say say that again you talk

1049
00:47:30,510 --> 00:47:28,360
about how that energy affects human

1050
00:47:31,740 --> 00:47:30,520
beings what if like for instance if well

1051
00:47:36,030 --> 00:47:31,750
if that energy is also supposed to

1052
00:47:37,770 --> 00:47:36,040
relate to supposed to relate to the not

1053
00:47:38,580 --> 00:47:37,780
Material material well it and again if

1054
00:47:41,580 --> 00:47:38,590
there was some type of line of

1055
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:41,590
construction or with relation to these

1056
00:47:45,930 --> 00:47:43,570
at least the knowledge that was passed

1057
00:47:48,690 --> 00:47:45,940
on you is there any point in time where

1058
00:47:50,310 --> 00:47:48,700
they had tried to communicate what these

1059
00:47:52,350 --> 00:47:50,320
beings that looked like or taken

1060
00:47:54,210 --> 00:47:52,360
manifestation of form for if that it

1061
00:47:57,810 --> 00:47:54,220
ever actually happened if it were even

1062
00:48:00,900 --> 00:47:57,820
possible well in the Buddhist conception

1063
00:48:03,090 --> 00:48:00,910
of things their most sacred symbols are

1064
00:48:06,450 --> 00:48:03,100
understood to have been gifted to

1065
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:06,460
humanity by a nonhuman source now the

1066
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:10,690
Dogon preserve a symbolic tradition

1067
00:48:14,610 --> 00:48:12,130
that's a very close match for the

1068
00:48:16,710 --> 00:48:14,620
Buddhist tradition only preserved in an

1069
00:48:18,540 --> 00:48:16,720
entirely different language so that it's

1070
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:18,550
pretty clear that they were preserved

1071
00:48:23,540 --> 00:48:20,530
independently of each other not adopted

1072
00:48:27,720 --> 00:48:23,550
in some recent era one from the other

1073
00:48:29,610 --> 00:48:27,730
the Dogon say that their most sacred

1074
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:29,620
symbols were given to the gifted to them

1075
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:31,450
by a nonhuman source but they taken

1076
00:48:37,830 --> 00:48:33,370
additional step they say that that

1077
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:37,840
source was originally non material now

1078
00:48:45,530 --> 00:48:43,290
the quality of that connection that

1079
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:45,540
instructional connection between a

1080
00:48:50,730 --> 00:48:48,010
source that was originally non material

1081
00:48:53,250 --> 00:48:50,740
and the Dogon is explained very clearly

1082
00:48:57,030 --> 00:48:53,260
by them and it's the same sort of

1083
00:48:59,520 --> 00:48:57,040
situation that you see with Moses and

1084
00:49:03,450 --> 00:48:59,530
the Israelites on the mountain that the

1085
00:49:05,340 --> 00:49:03,460
Israelites were cautioned very strongly

1086
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:05,350
just to keep back from the mountain

1087
00:49:08,859 --> 00:49:06,850
because of bad effects they might accrue

1088
00:49:10,930 --> 00:49:08,869
to them from

1089
00:49:14,380 --> 00:49:10,940
what was transpiring on the mountain

1090
00:49:17,940 --> 00:49:14,390
itself so very clearly in the Moses

1091
00:49:20,499 --> 00:49:17,950
situation if you believe that storyline

1092
00:49:22,539 --> 00:49:20,509
reflected actual events that were

1093
00:49:24,819 --> 00:49:22,549
transpiring in a material frame not

1094
00:49:27,730 --> 00:49:24,829
communication simply from a non material

1095
00:49:30,730 --> 00:49:27,740
frame this is not shamanic instruction

1096
00:49:31,900 --> 00:49:30,740
there's something that occurring on that

1097
00:49:34,269 --> 00:49:31,910
mountain that potentially is going to

1098
00:49:34,809 --> 00:49:34,279
impact those Israelites this is physical

1099
00:49:37,499 --> 00:49:34,819
stuff

1100
00:49:40,210 --> 00:49:37,509
the Dogon descriptions work the same way

1101
00:49:43,150 --> 00:49:40,220
that their teachers were concerned about

1102
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:43,160
the potential bad effects on us of being

1103
00:49:47,980 --> 00:49:45,650
around them and so they limited that the

1104
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:47,990
way they limited it was they chose to

1105
00:49:52,930 --> 00:49:50,930
instruct eight members of each tribal

1106
00:49:54,609 --> 00:49:52,940
group at a time and said those eight

1107
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:54,619
back to instruct everybody else

1108
00:50:00,880 --> 00:49:56,690
now the exposure was just to a small

1109
00:50:04,779 --> 00:50:00,890
group not to the large group to me this

1110
00:50:07,059 --> 00:50:04,789
implies action in a material frame the

1111
00:50:08,890 --> 00:50:07,069
Dogon insists that it came originally

1112
00:50:12,039 --> 00:50:08,900
from the non-material and there's this

1113
00:50:13,329 --> 00:50:12,049
perspective based on these the scrolling

1114
00:50:16,359 --> 00:50:13,339
energy between non material and material

1115
00:50:18,430 --> 00:50:16,369
universes where that could be true no I

1116
00:50:19,779 --> 00:50:18,440
do have one more question that's and

1117
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:19,789
actually I think this one's coming from

1118
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:21,410
Cosmo dub and I'm just going to ask you

1119
00:50:27,759 --> 00:50:23,690
this one so that we have it when we go

1120
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:27,769
to break and just gonna make sure cuz I

1121
00:50:33,539 --> 00:50:29,210
know there was probably a possibility

1122
00:50:36,009 --> 00:50:33,549
that I may have missed some one from

1123
00:50:37,900 --> 00:50:36,019
Edward at least we're gonna get into a

1124
00:50:40,839 --> 00:50:37,910
little bit of Egypt after the break and

1125
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:40,849
there'd a new feature we we take a ten

1126
00:50:44,289 --> 00:50:42,890
minutes just use chillage listen to some

1127
00:50:46,749 --> 00:50:44,299
you everyone gets listens to music and

1128
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:46,759
you know if they need to take care of

1129
00:50:50,140 --> 00:50:48,170
some business as it were they have the

1130
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:50,150
chance people to do that it's much more

1131
00:50:54,910 --> 00:50:52,130
relaxing after a two or three hours show

1132
00:50:57,999 --> 00:50:54,920
I could tell you that and this one's

1133
00:51:02,140 --> 00:50:58,009
coming from Cosmo dub and he is asking

1134
00:51:05,589 --> 00:51:02,150
is the pyramid being eight sided subtly

1135
00:51:08,859 --> 00:51:05,599
or I should say is it is eight subtly

1136
00:51:10,390 --> 00:51:08,869
sided how does this affect these symbol

1137
00:51:12,729 --> 00:51:10,400
are the symbolism or the symbology and

1138
00:51:14,620 --> 00:51:12,739
don't answer right now everyone we're

1139
00:51:17,979 --> 00:51:14,630
going to be back right after the break

1140
00:51:19,410 --> 00:51:17,989
and this will be a let me just double

1141
00:51:22,010 --> 00:51:19,420
check here

1142
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:22,020
Tyson don't whine at me

1143
00:51:31,240 --> 00:51:25,490
secondly are we going on break it buddy

1144
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:31,250
it's also break for him there we go and

1145
01:01:50,420 --> 00:52:09,050
[Music]

1146
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:53,400
and I think we're back did I make it on

1147
01:01:55,590 --> 01:01:53,890
time

1148
01:01:57,360 --> 01:01:55,600
can you hear me now Laird is already

1149
01:02:03,800 --> 01:01:57,370
music playing you can't hear anything oh

1150
01:02:11,790 --> 01:02:09,900
and we're back now how's that is that is

1151
01:02:13,830 --> 01:02:11,800
that better Laird not here you not

1152
01:02:19,950 --> 01:02:13,840
hearing me at all okay this is this is

1153
01:02:23,610 --> 01:02:19,960
weird okay give me eight quicks give me

1154
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:23,620
a second oh oh now you can probably hear

1155
01:02:28,290 --> 01:02:26,650
me yep now I can okay awesome

1156
01:02:31,860 --> 01:02:28,300
what was actually happening was Laird

1157
01:02:34,290 --> 01:02:31,870
was able to hear the music from Spreaker

1158
01:02:36,630 --> 01:02:34,300
that's recording now an audio at which

1159
01:02:38,310 --> 01:02:36,640
I'd routed through somehow to him but I

1160
01:02:39,900 --> 01:02:38,320
somehow can't connect the audio from OBS

1161
01:02:44,100 --> 01:02:39,910
to Spreaker without a lot of finagling

1162
01:02:45,630 --> 01:02:44,110
so technology is grand and again thank

1163
01:02:47,460 --> 01:02:45,640
you very much everyone for rejoining us

1164
01:02:50,070 --> 01:02:47,470
here on the program in the den of lore

1165
01:02:54,170 --> 01:02:50,080
episode 96 slowly creeping towards

1166
01:02:59,030 --> 01:02:54,180
episode 100 of the second-hottest

1167
01:03:01,620 --> 01:02:59,040
ancient mystery and occult / paranormal

1168
01:03:02,700 --> 01:03:01,630
show it's kind of the planet I know we

1169
01:03:05,070 --> 01:03:02,710
reach about a hundred and forty

1170
01:03:08,610 --> 01:03:05,080
countries worldwide every single week

1171
01:03:09,930 --> 01:03:08,620
not as many as the symbolism that we're

1172
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:09,940
talking about because it reaches

1173
01:03:16,100 --> 01:03:12,730
everywhere in very small ways and a lot

1174
01:03:18,900 --> 01:03:16,110
of it happens to be related to

1175
01:03:20,820 --> 01:03:18,910
observations with the word earth and the

1176
01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:20,830
world around them and before we went on

1177
01:03:23,430 --> 01:03:23,050
break I'd asked Laird a very important

1178
01:03:26,670 --> 01:03:23,440
question

1179
01:03:28,500 --> 01:03:26,680
and this one was from Cosmo dub is that

1180
01:03:30,780 --> 01:03:28,510
the evidence suggests that the pyramid

1181
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:30,790
is subtly eight-sided and how does that

1182
01:03:37,500 --> 01:03:33,490
affect the symbology or symbolism behind

1183
01:03:40,020 --> 01:03:37,510
it okay the best way to understand this

1184
01:03:41,610 --> 01:03:40,030
is through a book of a friend of mine ed

1185
01:03:44,730 --> 01:03:41,620
Nightingale has a book called the Giza

1186
01:03:47,460 --> 01:03:44,740
template but to summarize the concept

1187
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:47,470
for you will do this by metaphor if

1188
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:49,330
you're familiar with music and musical

1189
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:52,210
notes you understand that

1190
01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:54,850
musical notes represent frequencies that

1191
01:03:57,770 --> 01:03:56,290
are that there's a mathematical

1192
01:04:00,170 --> 01:03:57,780
relationship between them

1193
01:04:02,450 --> 01:04:00,180
and then if you were to strictly

1194
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:02,460
calculate the correct frequencies for

1195
01:04:06,470 --> 01:04:03,930
each progressive musical note in the

1196
01:04:08,420 --> 01:04:06,480
scale and then try to tune an instrument

1197
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:08,430
to that and play it it wouldn't sound

1198
01:04:14,540 --> 01:04:11,130
quite right to you there's a difference

1199
01:04:17,390 --> 01:04:14,550
between frequency and tone and to be

1200
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:17,400
right to the sound of the year the tone

1201
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:19,410
has to be a little bit fudged from what

1202
01:04:25,970 --> 01:04:22,170
the actual frequency is now that fudge

1203
01:04:28,940 --> 01:04:25,980
factor happens to be the same factor as

1204
01:04:30,710 --> 01:04:28,950
the difference the ratio between okay

1205
01:04:33,370 --> 01:04:30,720
that the great pyramids the sides of the

1206
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:33,380
great pyramids are are subtly indented

1207
01:04:38,870 --> 01:04:35,730
they if in the right light you can see

1208
01:04:41,510 --> 01:04:38,880
that it's a very subtle v-shape not a

1209
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:41,520
flat side that with the center of the V

1210
01:04:46,970 --> 01:04:44,490
in the center of the side and that the

1211
01:04:49,970 --> 01:04:46,980
difference in length that you would

1212
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:49,980
measure by measuring the V as opposed to

1213
01:04:53,990 --> 01:04:51,690
Mary measuring the straight across the

1214
01:04:56,690 --> 01:04:54,000
side of the pyramid is that ratio of

1215
01:04:59,240 --> 01:04:56,700
that fudge factor now so ad when he's

1216
01:05:00,290 --> 01:04:59,250
deriving numbers based on structures on

1217
01:05:02,390 --> 01:05:00,300
the Giza Plateau

1218
01:05:04,660 --> 01:05:02,400
well first derive what's called a root

1219
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:04,670
he calls a root number he divided it

1220
01:05:10,550 --> 01:05:08,250
derives a root speed of light and then

1221
01:05:13,790 --> 01:05:10,560
applies that fudge factor and comes up

1222
01:05:16,550 --> 01:05:13,800
with the actual speed of light every

1223
01:05:19,850 --> 01:05:16,560
value that's expressed cosmologically at

1224
01:05:22,390 --> 01:05:19,860
the Giza Plateau for him is represented

1225
01:05:24,470 --> 01:05:22,400
this way and many of the values are

1226
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:24,480
represented in multiple units of measure

1227
01:05:28,850 --> 01:05:26,490
so we have cross confirmation of meaning

1228
01:05:30,740 --> 01:05:28,860
as to what the intention was for for

1229
01:05:33,970 --> 01:05:30,750
these values together than cubits you

1230
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:33,980
get it in feet you get it in meters and

1231
01:05:40,610 --> 01:05:39,450
he's cataloged a lot of that so from for

1232
01:05:42,890 --> 01:05:40,620
my way of understanding that's what the

1233
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:42,900
purpose of the subtle indentation of the

1234
01:05:47,420 --> 01:05:45,210
sides is about it's about being able to

1235
01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:47,430
represent the the difference between

1236
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:49,170
what you would calculate mathematically

1237
01:05:56,220 --> 01:05:51,210
and then what as opposed to what you

1238
01:06:02,470 --> 01:05:59,650
and just a follow-up question I think

1239
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:02,480
which may relate to it or it may not but

1240
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:05,210
you know you never know the dogon mask

1241
01:06:12,070 --> 01:06:07,490
refers to the Great Pyramid as the house

1242
01:06:15,910 --> 01:06:12,080
of the Cyrus is present to present to

1243
01:06:17,890 --> 01:06:15,920
proceed into the Duat is is there a

1244
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:17,900
relation that was from from Abraham as

1245
01:06:24,910 --> 01:06:22,250
well is there a relation to that to the

1246
01:06:27,190 --> 01:06:24,920
same idea of the mask that had been seen

1247
01:06:29,890 --> 01:06:27,200
by the that we'd seen from the Bowery

1248
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:29,900
and is there an indication from that

1249
01:06:33,690 --> 01:06:31,370
that could be explained

1250
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:33,700
besides the coronal mass ejection

1251
01:06:41,140 --> 01:06:39,170
imagery with in the atmosphere that's a

1252
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:41,150
completed question in in the case of the

1253
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:44,450
Dogon we have an explicit statement on

1254
01:06:49,260 --> 01:06:45,770
the part of the priests as to what the

1255
01:06:51,370 --> 01:06:49,270
symbol represents for them and that

1256
01:06:53,590 --> 01:06:51,380
definition that the modern priest is

1257
01:06:57,160 --> 01:06:53,600
giving us is supported by the phonetics

1258
01:06:58,540 --> 01:06:57,170
of the word of the name of the mask in

1259
01:06:59,590 --> 01:06:58,550
other words we have cross confirmation

1260
01:07:01,570 --> 01:06:59,600
between what they remember it

1261
01:07:03,010 --> 01:07:01,580
representing and what the name of it

1262
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:03,020
says it must represent based on the

1263
01:07:08,380 --> 01:07:06,290
phonetics of cosmology so the Dogon

1264
01:07:10,690 --> 01:07:08,390
clearly the intention of what the Dogon

1265
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:10,700
think it represents is clearly a sound

1266
01:07:19,030 --> 01:07:15,770
statement now as I said because every

1267
01:07:20,890 --> 01:07:19,040
aspect of every dynamic of this process

1268
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:20,900
of creation plays out on multiple scales

1269
01:07:27,910 --> 01:07:24,170
and also in relation to three themes

1270
01:07:29,980 --> 01:07:27,920
there's a theme of how mana forms how

1271
01:07:33,790 --> 01:07:29,990
the universe forms and how biological

1272
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:33,800
reproduction happens those themes are so

1273
01:07:40,180 --> 01:07:36,890
fundamentally similar to each other that

1274
01:07:42,550 --> 01:07:40,190
the Dogon simultaneously represent all

1275
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:42,560
three themes using one progression of

1276
01:07:48,190 --> 01:07:46,250
symbols and so if you have a symbol like

1277
01:07:50,740 --> 01:07:48,200
a hemisphere that if we're talking about

1278
01:07:53,830 --> 01:07:50,750
maths matter represents the concept of

1279
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:53,840
mass or matter if we're talking about

1280
01:07:59,860 --> 01:07:55,610
biological reproduction it represents

1281
01:08:03,830 --> 01:07:59,870
the expanded womb of mother

1282
01:08:06,050 --> 01:08:03,840
so when we ask what is the meaning of a

1283
01:08:07,910 --> 01:08:06,060
symbol we can't really it's not really

1284
01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:07,920
fair to just ask that we have to really

1285
01:08:12,860 --> 01:08:10,290
ask what is the meaning of that of that

1286
01:08:14,330 --> 01:08:12,870
symbol in a particular context in

1287
01:08:17,390 --> 01:08:14,340
relation to biology what does it

1288
01:08:18,980 --> 01:08:17,400
represent in relation to quantum physics

1289
01:08:22,789 --> 01:08:18,990
was a representative relation to

1290
01:08:24,710 --> 01:08:22,799
universes what does it represent so that

1291
01:08:26,750 --> 01:08:24,720
means there's one good room for the same

1292
01:08:28,490 --> 01:08:26,760
symbol to have subtle shades of meaning

1293
01:08:33,320 --> 01:08:28,500
that are different depending on the

1294
01:08:36,590 --> 01:08:33,330
circumstance my work requires that a

1295
01:08:39,530 --> 01:08:36,600
culture flatly state what they think the

1296
01:08:43,550 --> 01:08:39,540
symbolism of a figure is before I can

1297
01:08:45,860 --> 01:08:43,560
adopt that as an interpretation it may

1298
01:08:47,630 --> 01:08:45,870
resemble certain things to me but unless

1299
01:08:49,610 --> 01:08:47,640
I have a culture that sees it that way

1300
01:08:51,470 --> 01:08:49,620
that's not a real interpretation from my

1301
01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:51,480
point of view that that protects me from

1302
01:08:58,490 --> 01:08:55,890
my own wishful life and obviously with

1303
01:09:00,500 --> 01:08:58,500
with this field there can be a lot of a

1304
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:00,510
lot of interesting interpretations out

1305
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:03,810
there that can be seen and having

1306
01:09:08,059 --> 01:09:05,130
consistency and trying to get to the

1307
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:08,069
core root of a subject matter it can be

1308
01:09:15,070 --> 01:09:10,410
very difficult if you have every single

1309
01:09:17,030 --> 01:09:15,080
idea that can be either interpreted or

1310
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:17,040
completely disregarded if you're not

1311
01:09:22,370 --> 01:09:19,770
looking at the overall concept that's

1312
01:09:24,579 --> 01:09:22,380
being perceived by the culture itself

1313
01:09:27,079 --> 01:09:24,589
right so my first question always is

1314
01:09:29,210 --> 01:09:27,089
when someone proposes an interpretation

1315
01:09:32,269 --> 01:09:29,220
matter first question always says which

1316
01:09:33,890 --> 01:09:32,279
culture sees it that way and if they

1317
01:09:36,740 --> 01:09:33,900
don't have a culture that sees it that

1318
01:09:38,300 --> 01:09:36,750
way then from my point of view it's not

1319
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:38,310
not a real interpretation yeah it

1320
01:09:42,349 --> 01:09:41,130
doesn't come anchored until you can

1321
01:09:43,849 --> 01:09:42,359
point to somebody who understood it that

1322
01:09:46,130 --> 01:09:43,859
way and that's what comparative

1323
01:09:49,039 --> 01:09:46,140
cosmology is about it's comparing how

1324
01:09:51,260 --> 01:09:49,049
cultures a B C and B all understood the

1325
01:09:52,610 --> 01:09:51,270
same symbol and from that helping to

1326
01:09:55,310 --> 01:09:52,620
triangulate they don't want an original

1327
01:09:56,810 --> 01:09:55,320
meaning and for that particular symbol

1328
01:10:01,250 --> 01:09:56,820
if it's very similar to what has been

1329
01:10:03,260 --> 01:10:01,260
seen in petroglyphs let's explore the

1330
01:10:07,430 --> 01:10:03,270
the loose the mask as far as its concept

1331
01:10:08,900 --> 01:10:07,440
is concerned it what other cultures have

1332
01:10:11,300 --> 01:10:08,910
you seen that have used that symbol and

1333
01:10:13,070 --> 01:10:11,310
does it represent the same thing or are

1334
01:10:14,990 --> 01:10:13,080
there subtle changes or differences

1335
01:10:17,030 --> 01:10:15,000
but sure the Hopi Indians used the same

1336
01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:17,040
symbol Gary David actually has done some

1337
01:10:21,470 --> 01:10:20,130
fairly extensive research about how they

1338
01:10:22,730 --> 01:10:21,480
use that symbol there are a lot of a lot

1339
01:10:25,660 --> 01:10:22,740
of overlap between the Hopi and the

1340
01:10:29,510 --> 01:10:25,670
Dogon in terms of rituals ritual dances

1341
01:10:30,860 --> 01:10:29,520
ritual masks things like that to my

1342
01:10:32,570 --> 01:10:30,870
understanding that the Hopi

1343
01:10:34,100 --> 01:10:32,580
understanding of it is in the ballpark

1344
01:10:37,850 --> 01:10:34,110
of what the Dogon understanding is but

1345
01:10:41,990 --> 01:10:37,860
I'm not I'm not by the way come you know

1346
01:10:44,540 --> 01:10:42,000
conversant in the Hopi side of it but

1347
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:44,550
the Masonic people understand the symbol

1348
01:10:49,550 --> 01:10:46,890
in exactly the same way that the Dogon

1349
01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:49,560
do which is actually a fairly good

1350
01:10:53,270 --> 01:10:51,810
recommendation if you can get the

1351
01:10:54,380 --> 01:10:53,280
Kabbalists and the Dogon to agree on

1352
01:10:56,450 --> 01:10:54,390
something you're probably in the

1353
01:10:58,010 --> 01:10:56,460
ballpark of what it means if you can get

1354
01:10:59,300 --> 01:10:58,020
to the sonics and the Dino going to

1355
01:11:02,290 --> 01:10:59,310
agree on something you're probably in

1356
01:11:05,510 --> 01:11:02,300
the ballpark of what it means anything

1357
01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:05,520
not to say that if this might not be an

1358
01:11:09,530 --> 01:11:07,410
energetic form that someone can see and

1359
01:11:12,050 --> 01:11:09,540
every interpretation many

1360
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:12,060
interpretations begin with someone

1361
01:11:16,100 --> 01:11:13,770
noticing resemblance between one thing

1362
01:11:17,450 --> 01:11:16,110
and another thing but you still have to

1363
01:11:21,710 --> 01:11:17,460
anchor that you still have to bring that

1364
01:11:26,570 --> 01:11:21,720
down find some way to identify a culture

1365
01:11:31,390 --> 01:11:26,580
that understood the shape that way and

1366
01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:31,400
so that's always the trek with the

1367
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:34,050
Egyptians possibly having a line of

1368
01:11:41,090 --> 01:11:36,330
connection and communication with skara

1369
01:11:43,550 --> 01:11:41,100
brae and some possible culture having a

1370
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:43,560
line of connection at gobekli tepe

1371
01:11:48,380 --> 01:11:45,930
and obviously we've seen some similar

1372
01:11:50,810 --> 01:11:48,390
symbols within that part of the world in

1373
01:11:56,540 --> 01:11:50,820
gobekli tepe as we've seen in Australia

1374
01:11:58,490 --> 01:11:56,550
as we've seen in Easter Island there in

1375
01:12:02,090 --> 01:11:58,500
the question is if they had arrived the

1376
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:02,100
island 1100 how where is the place of

1377
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:04,730
instruction and has it been found

1378
01:12:11,390 --> 01:12:08,610
well the Maori myths point to a place of

1379
01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:11,400
extraction far to the east they came by

1380
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:14,690
canoe over the ocean to New Zealand

1381
01:12:21,570 --> 01:12:18,130
presumably through a series of stages

1382
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:21,580
now there are numerous symbolic elements

1383
01:12:28,410 --> 01:12:24,970
to link traditions in the UK to

1384
01:12:32,670 --> 01:12:28,420
traditions in New Zealand that there's a

1385
01:12:34,350 --> 01:12:32,680
pygmy tradition in in New Zealand and

1386
01:12:36,750 --> 01:12:34,360
expresses itself very much the same way

1387
01:12:39,180 --> 01:12:36,760
as the pygmy tradition in Scotland and

1388
01:12:41,610 --> 01:12:39,190
Ireland the little-people tradition

1389
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:41,620
there are architectural forms that tie

1390
01:12:47,820 --> 01:12:44,650
there is language that ties from the

1391
01:12:49,350 --> 01:12:47,830
perspective of Ireland when those little

1392
01:12:49,890 --> 01:12:49,360
people were ostensibly kicked out of

1393
01:12:53,340 --> 01:12:49,900
Ireland

1394
01:12:58,110 --> 01:12:53,350
they left by one myth to travel across

1395
01:12:59,130 --> 01:12:58,120
the western sea and by another myth they

1396
01:13:01,980 --> 01:12:59,140
went to the underworld

1397
01:13:05,070 --> 01:13:01,990
well as it turns out an ancient name for

1398
01:13:07,230 --> 01:13:05,080
New Zealand is interpreted by Edward

1399
01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:07,240
Revere as referring to the first circle

1400
01:13:12,180 --> 01:13:08,050
of the underworld

1401
01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:12,190
so the Maori view of things is actually

1402
01:13:21,500 --> 01:13:15,130
the mirror image of the Irish view of

1403
01:13:24,390 --> 01:13:21,510
this name for this mythical place of

1404
01:13:30,470 --> 01:13:24,400
instruction is for the Maori is our

1405
01:13:32,310 --> 01:13:30,480
Kiowa on Orkney one of the ancient names

1406
01:13:35,070 --> 01:13:32,320
associates with Orkney and the

1407
01:13:38,730 --> 01:13:35,080
traditions that I study is our room so

1408
01:13:41,310 --> 01:13:38,740
we had that piece to the word right the

1409
01:13:43,380 --> 01:13:41,320
first sanctuary that was known on Orkney

1410
01:13:44,940 --> 01:13:43,390
was a church situated in a city called

1411
01:13:52,890 --> 01:13:44,950
Kirkwall which was originally called

1412
01:13:56,730 --> 01:13:52,900
Kiowa so we a phonetic connection to the

1413
01:13:59,520 --> 01:13:56,740
place we have Maori schools that are

1414
01:14:01,590 --> 01:13:59,530
that traditionally were teaching the

1415
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:01,600
very same set of subjects that that are

1416
01:14:06,270 --> 01:14:03,610
indicated as having been thought on

1417
01:14:08,610 --> 01:14:06,280
Orkney Island and culture we're teaching

1418
01:14:12,030 --> 01:14:08,620
cosmology teaching astronomy we're

1419
01:14:17,570 --> 01:14:12,040
teaching stone masonry a whole set of

1420
01:14:22,250 --> 01:14:17,580
things that go hand in hand the title of

1421
01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:22,260
the priestly initiates in for the Maori

1422
01:14:28,410 --> 01:14:26,770
can also mean firstborn now when we

1423
01:14:30,090 --> 01:14:28,420
understand that if we see a connection

1424
01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:30,100
to ancient Egypt

1425
01:14:36,510 --> 01:14:32,650
suddenly the idea of the slaying of the

1426
01:14:38,010 --> 01:14:36,520
firstborn takes on a new meaning that

1427
01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:38,020
the slaying of the firstborn could have

1428
01:14:44,820 --> 01:14:40,090
been an action that was targeted against

1429
01:14:48,360 --> 01:14:44,830
the priests so we have lots of different

1430
01:14:50,850 --> 01:14:48,370
things to point to the marriage

1431
01:14:54,510 --> 01:14:50,860
tradition coming out of the same or the

1432
01:14:56,940 --> 01:14:54,520
island instructional site that I connect

1433
01:14:59,700 --> 01:14:56,950
to Egypt they've done DNA studies on

1434
01:15:02,700 --> 01:14:59,710
Orkney expecting to find DNA that was

1435
01:15:06,510 --> 01:15:02,710
primarily connected to the celts into

1436
01:15:07,910 --> 01:15:06,520
Scandinavia but in fact they discovered

1437
01:15:10,700 --> 01:15:07,920
that Orkney is one of the most

1438
01:15:14,460 --> 01:15:10,710
genetically diverse places in the world

1439
01:15:16,700 --> 01:15:14,470
for reasons they can't explain with one

1440
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:16,710
percent of the of native or canoe men

1441
01:15:24,270 --> 01:15:19,570
having markers for North Africa and in

1442
01:15:27,150 --> 01:15:24,280
Egypt so there there's lots of lots of

1443
01:15:29,700 --> 01:15:27,160
ways to connect the traditions what

1444
01:15:32,190 --> 01:15:29,710
about the architecture obviously the the

1445
01:15:34,200 --> 01:15:32,200
concept of the stupa with the Dogon is a

1446
01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:34,210
recurring theme in a lot of places said

1447
01:15:39,450 --> 01:15:37,050
Tibet is as most notable from your work

1448
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:39,460
but what have you seen from from that

1449
01:15:45,150 --> 01:15:43,330
respect the Maori don't are not

1450
01:15:48,330 --> 01:15:45,160
traditionally understood to have built

1451
01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:48,340
permanent sanctuaries or shrines they

1452
01:15:53,850 --> 01:15:51,570
would mark sacred places with stones

1453
01:15:55,740 --> 01:15:53,860
small stones not the large megalithic

1454
01:15:58,860 --> 01:15:55,750
standing stones that we would expect to

1455
01:16:01,650 --> 01:15:58,870
see in places like gobekli tepe so we

1456
01:16:04,110 --> 01:16:01,660
have a lack of comparability between the

1457
01:16:06,780 --> 01:16:04,120
Maori and and the other cultures that

1458
01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:06,790
study in terms of the types of shrines

1459
01:16:12,590 --> 01:16:11,410
they build but in terms of other

1460
01:16:15,930 --> 01:16:12,600
cultures we have fundamental

1461
01:16:18,510 --> 01:16:15,940
comparability there's a cosmological

1462
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:18,520
abased plan for a house on orchid island

1463
01:16:24,930 --> 01:16:21,850
that is a match for a traditional Dogon

1464
01:16:26,700 --> 01:16:24,940
stone house as a match for burial

1465
01:16:30,380 --> 01:16:26,710
chambers in Egypt that were understood

1466
01:16:34,250 --> 01:16:30,390
to represent houses at the same era so

1467
01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:34,260
we have a basis of comparability there

1468
01:16:41,130 --> 01:16:38,410
it the Maori there are examples of stone

1469
01:16:43,650 --> 01:16:41,140
Cairns among the Maori and Stone Karan's

1470
01:16:45,420 --> 01:16:43,660
which are you see three stones

1471
01:16:48,930 --> 01:16:45,430
set against each other with a flat stone

1472
01:16:51,630 --> 01:16:48,940
on top that's an early stupa form from

1473
01:16:53,610 --> 01:16:51,640
my perspective it's one of the forms

1474
01:16:56,670 --> 01:16:53,620
that ties to the gobekli tepe region

1475
01:17:01,710 --> 01:16:56,680
the Dogon build them it's one of the

1476
01:17:03,900 --> 01:17:01,720
signatures of the tradition and are

1477
01:17:05,460 --> 01:17:03,910
there any messages that at least that

1478
01:17:06,780 --> 01:17:05,470
has been seen if they haven't actually

1479
01:17:07,460 --> 01:17:06,790
had the instruction site that's been

1480
01:17:12,810 --> 01:17:07,470
found

1481
01:17:14,580 --> 01:17:12,820
are there any symbols or messages that

1482
01:17:16,530 --> 01:17:14,590
are being used today or have been used

1483
01:17:18,060 --> 01:17:16,540
within the recent past that were

1484
01:17:26,550 --> 01:17:18,070
discovered to either indicate their

1485
01:17:28,470 --> 01:17:26,560
origin or indicate just trying to find

1486
01:17:31,200 --> 01:17:28,480
the proper we're here that that they

1487
01:17:32,580 --> 01:17:31,210
were basically sent information to say

1488
01:17:34,890 --> 01:17:32,590
hey we've been here before we're going

1489
01:17:40,290 --> 01:17:34,900
to be coming again or hey you know this

1490
01:17:42,300 --> 01:17:40,300
is the last time we're coming this gets

1491
01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:42,310
down to the rationale of the tradition

1492
01:17:48,180 --> 01:17:44,770
itself the motivation for an esoteric

1493
01:17:50,850 --> 01:17:48,190
tradition in the first place and the

1494
01:17:54,150 --> 01:17:50,860
justification for it is book-length this

1495
01:17:56,070 --> 01:17:54,160
is part of the reason I stepped up to

1496
01:17:59,250 --> 01:17:56,080
publish self publish the book seeking

1497
01:18:01,050 --> 01:17:59,260
the primordial because the material I

1498
01:18:02,340 --> 01:18:01,060
file needed to be out there but you need

1499
01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:02,350
an entire books worth to be able to

1500
01:18:06,720 --> 01:18:04,690
justify the perspective the basics

1501
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:06,730
perspective to try to summarize it

1502
01:18:10,650 --> 01:18:09,130
without justification as that we have

1503
01:18:14,610 --> 01:18:10,660
this cycle of scrolling energy between

1504
01:18:16,890 --> 01:18:14,620
universes that causes humanity to become

1505
01:18:21,870 --> 01:18:16,900
progressively less aware of things but

1506
01:18:24,030 --> 01:18:21,880
non material now at the same time okay

1507
01:18:26,340 --> 01:18:24,040
this the scrolling of energy is not just

1508
01:18:28,910 --> 01:18:26,350
energy it's also scrolling of mass and

1509
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:28,920
what a thing becomes more massive it's

1510
01:18:35,430 --> 01:18:33,370
perception of time slows down when the

1511
01:18:37,470 --> 01:18:35,440
thing becomes less massive it's time

1512
01:18:40,940 --> 01:18:37,480
frame rich relative time frame speeds up

1513
01:18:44,970 --> 01:18:40,950
this is Einstein's theory of relativity

1514
01:18:46,530 --> 01:18:44,980
stuff so at the same point in the Yuga

1515
01:18:49,050 --> 01:18:46,540
cycle if we're thinking about a great

1516
01:18:51,810 --> 01:18:49,060
year or Yuga cycle that the material

1517
01:18:54,029 --> 01:18:51,820
side is as farthest removed from being

1518
01:18:56,910 --> 01:18:54,039
able to perceive the non-material

1519
01:18:59,310 --> 01:18:56,920
the non-material is persisting it so it

1520
01:19:01,620 --> 01:18:59,320
has so little mass that's persisting in

1521
01:19:04,229 --> 01:19:01,630
a time frame that runs ultra quickly so

1522
01:19:08,810 --> 01:19:04,239
quickly that they have no coherent

1523
01:19:11,370 --> 01:19:08,820
moment in which to do anything so

1524
01:19:13,140 --> 01:19:11,380
effectively the non-material

1525
01:19:16,169 --> 01:19:13,150
consciousness is unlocked in

1526
01:19:18,390 --> 01:19:16,179
consciousness it's an awareness that has

1527
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:18,400
no ability to act in the person that's

1528
01:19:22,919 --> 01:19:21,010
called locked-in syndrome and it's a

1529
01:19:25,529 --> 01:19:22,929
horrific state it's like being buried

1530
01:19:28,049 --> 01:19:25,539
alive unless you have someone who knows

1531
01:19:30,270 --> 01:19:28,059
that you're there and can act on your

1532
01:19:34,709 --> 01:19:30,280
behalf or communicate with you there was

1533
01:19:37,140 --> 01:19:34,719
a case in France a gentleman who had

1534
01:19:39,930 --> 01:19:37,150
suffered loss locked-in syndrome he had

1535
01:19:41,339 --> 01:19:39,940
a stroke at the wheel of a car and then

1536
01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:41,349
a car accident and they thought he was

1537
01:19:47,189 --> 01:19:43,690
brain dead but in fact he was perfectly

1538
01:19:49,709 --> 01:19:47,199
conscious inside just nobody knew it he

1539
01:19:51,810 --> 01:19:49,719
was able to blink his eyes and after a

1540
01:19:53,339 --> 01:19:51,820
period of time was able to communicate

1541
01:19:55,379 --> 01:19:53,349
to one of his caretakers that he was

1542
01:19:58,560 --> 01:19:55,389
actually in there and she worked up a

1543
01:20:01,770 --> 01:19:58,570
system with him to indicate letters one

1544
01:20:03,569 --> 01:20:01,780
at a time by blinking and he ended up

1545
01:20:04,310 --> 01:20:03,579
writing an entire book one letter at a

1546
01:20:07,229 --> 01:20:04,320
time

1547
01:20:09,359 --> 01:20:07,239
well the motivation for the esoteric

1548
01:20:16,790 --> 01:20:09,369
tradition from my point of view is

1549
01:20:21,750 --> 01:20:19,319
ascending cycle on the non-material side

1550
01:20:25,770 --> 01:20:21,760
the cycle that makes makes the universe

1551
01:20:27,629 --> 01:20:25,780
less material it figures it out that the

1552
01:20:30,330 --> 01:20:27,639
trend is towards this locked-in

1553
01:20:32,490 --> 01:20:30,340
condition it understands that if it's

1554
01:20:34,890 --> 01:20:32,500
not going to be simply buried alive for

1555
01:20:37,819 --> 01:20:34,900
thousands of years it needs to have a

1556
01:20:40,620 --> 01:20:37,829
compatriot it can rely on and so it

1557
01:20:44,069 --> 01:20:40,630
establishes a framework for society on

1558
01:20:45,569 --> 01:20:44,079
the material side to try to preserve the

1559
01:20:47,459 --> 01:20:45,579
memory of the existence of the NA

1560
01:20:52,319 --> 01:20:47,469
material side during the eras when we

1561
01:20:54,779 --> 01:20:52,329
can't perceive it hmm and the structure

1562
01:20:57,390 --> 01:20:54,789
of that esoteric tradition is such that

1563
01:20:58,830 --> 01:20:57,400
not only does it mimic the dynamic

1564
01:21:01,319 --> 01:20:58,840
between the Nama trio and the material

1565
01:21:04,850 --> 01:21:01,329
universes itself but it also has the

1566
01:21:07,180 --> 01:21:04,860
effect of filtering out sincere

1567
01:21:10,030 --> 01:21:07,190
attentive caretakers

1568
01:21:13,090 --> 01:21:10,040
so it's as if the esoteric tradition is

1569
01:21:19,180 --> 01:21:13,100
auditioning a babysitter or a nurse or a

1570
01:21:20,830 --> 01:21:19,190
caretaker or an attendant and so in the

1571
01:21:22,930 --> 01:21:20,840
era that we're in right now my there are

1572
01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:22,940
indicators that that even though the

1573
01:21:27,100 --> 01:21:25,130
traditional view of the Yuga cycle is

1574
01:21:28,750 --> 01:21:27,110
that we have passed the bottommost

1575
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:28,760
pointed in are now on the ascending way

1576
01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:32,570
back up there are other reasons to think

1577
01:21:36,190 --> 01:21:34,850
that we are just now reaching the we

1578
01:21:37,780 --> 01:21:36,200
have just now reached the bottom of the

1579
01:21:40,060 --> 01:21:37,790
point the cycle that we've just passed

1580
01:21:46,120 --> 01:21:40,070
the lowest point in the cycle are just

1581
01:21:48,520 --> 01:21:46,130
now starting the ascent back up and that

1582
01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:48,530
only some of us are attentive to things

1583
01:21:52,930 --> 01:21:50,930
not material others of us effectively

1584
01:21:55,860 --> 01:21:52,940
that doesn't exist so why would they

1585
01:22:00,460 --> 01:21:55,870
need to be able to teach this to the

1586
01:22:03,730 --> 01:22:00,470
Mary or when the Dogon are still in

1587
01:22:06,100 --> 01:22:03,740
Africa with this knowledge well at the

1588
01:22:09,340 --> 01:22:06,110
time the system was set up at 10,000 BC

1589
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:09,350
if you understand that the systems based

1590
01:22:13,330 --> 01:22:11,930
on science and that people at 10,000 BC

1591
01:22:16,720 --> 01:22:13,340
didn't have a great understanding of

1592
01:22:20,350 --> 01:22:16,730
science or a technological capability to

1593
01:22:22,390 --> 01:22:20,360
confirm it the cosmology had to have

1594
01:22:23,950 --> 01:22:22,400
been aimed at targeted at a future

1595
01:22:26,410 --> 01:22:23,960
audience thousands of years down the

1596
01:22:27,910 --> 01:22:26,420
line that would have the technology for

1597
01:22:31,300 --> 01:22:27,920
the for the Buddhists the most sacred

1598
01:22:33,910 --> 01:22:31,310
symbols their meaning and here in hairs

1599
01:22:35,530 --> 01:22:33,920
in their shape these symbols are called

1600
01:22:37,570 --> 01:22:35,540
adequate symbols then they can't lose

1601
01:22:39,130 --> 01:22:37,580
their meaning because it's a shape you

1602
01:22:41,050 --> 01:22:39,140
can observe in nature if you have the

1603
01:22:42,790 --> 01:22:41,060
right technology but these are all

1604
01:22:46,840 --> 01:22:42,800
microscopic shapes it's like the shape

1605
01:22:48,700 --> 01:22:46,850
of an electron orbit or the shape of

1606
01:22:53,050 --> 01:22:48,710
angular momentum these are the shapes

1607
01:22:54,460 --> 01:22:53,060
you can't really view so the task for

1608
01:22:57,550 --> 01:22:54,470
someone trying to develop a symbolic

1609
01:23:02,110 --> 01:22:57,560
system like this is how do you figure

1610
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:02,120
out which metaphors and references and

1611
01:23:06,910 --> 01:23:04,010
teaching techniques are gonna actually

1612
01:23:09,670 --> 01:23:06,920
work and resonate with the future

1613
01:23:11,230 --> 01:23:09,680
audience and which ones aren't and how

1614
01:23:13,180 --> 01:23:11,240
do you know which cultures is gonna

1615
01:23:17,980 --> 01:23:13,190
resonate with them which ones it's not

1616
01:23:21,050 --> 01:23:17,990
and so the same system was presented in

1617
01:23:23,960 --> 01:23:21,060
sort of regionally tailored formats

1618
01:23:26,530 --> 01:23:23,970
two cultures all over the world I think

1619
01:23:29,510 --> 01:23:26,540
with the hope that at least one of them

1620
01:23:31,730 --> 01:23:29,520
would retain the sense of meaning for

1621
01:23:33,770 --> 01:23:31,740
the system and understand at the end of

1622
01:23:34,940 --> 01:23:33,780
the cycle where we're at right now that

1623
01:23:38,060 --> 01:23:34,950
appoints to the presence of a

1624
01:23:41,060 --> 01:23:38,070
non-material consciousness now that

1625
01:23:43,190 --> 01:23:41,070
consciousness in the archaic philosophy

1626
01:23:46,370 --> 01:23:43,200
is not a deified consciousness it's just

1627
01:23:48,590 --> 01:23:46,380
a consciousness as a matter of fact the

1628
01:23:51,470 --> 01:23:48,600
final stage of ascension and esoteric

1629
01:23:55,070 --> 01:23:51,480
Buddhism is a visceral understanding

1630
01:23:56,840 --> 01:23:55,080
that it's all the same consciousness all

1631
01:24:02,720 --> 01:23:56,850
the way up and down the scale it's all

1632
01:24:09,440 --> 01:24:02,730
the same consciousness hmm Wow which

1633
01:24:10,610 --> 01:24:09,450
could possibly be a pointer towards and

1634
01:24:12,080 --> 01:24:10,620
I forget I forget the name in the name

1635
01:24:15,080 --> 01:24:12,090
of the effect there it's it's at the

1636
01:24:16,730 --> 01:24:15,090
same effect that's you know people on

1637
01:24:18,980 --> 01:24:16,740
the other side of the world can either

1638
01:24:20,180 --> 01:24:18,990
get think of the same thing or that you

1639
01:24:21,530 --> 01:24:20,190
don't think of a person and that person

1640
01:24:24,190 --> 01:24:21,540
will then call and they could be on

1641
01:24:28,970 --> 01:24:24,200
another continent or like my father whom

1642
01:24:31,640 --> 01:24:28,980
one time we brought went for dinner our

1643
01:24:33,260 --> 01:24:31,650
dog was with us and we didn't have a dog

1644
01:24:35,930 --> 01:24:33,270
bed and all of a sudden my dad shows up

1645
01:24:37,010 --> 01:24:35,940
25 minutes later from work and he just

1646
01:24:40,280 --> 01:24:37,020
gone off work and he doesn't answer a

1647
01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:40,290
cell phone till he hits the car and when

1648
01:24:43,130 --> 01:24:41,970
he drives he doesn't pick it up and he

1649
01:24:44,510 --> 01:24:43,140
walks through he's got a dog bed with

1650
01:24:46,460 --> 01:24:44,520
him and we're sitting there going like

1651
01:24:48,440 --> 01:24:46,470
are are are you kidding me and my

1652
01:24:50,810 --> 01:24:48,450
parents have had this ability to do this

1653
01:24:52,700 --> 01:24:50,820
for quite a long time and I'm not sure

1654
01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:52,710
if it just comes down to it you know

1655
01:24:59,120 --> 01:24:53,970
once you've been married for 45 years

1656
01:25:01,250 --> 01:24:59,130
yeah it looks like telepathy but you

1657
01:25:04,430 --> 01:25:01,260
know this the same concept can be seen

1658
01:25:06,830 --> 01:25:04,440
in in dogs with with their owners dog

1659
01:25:08,020 --> 01:25:06,840
might know dog tyson apparently i've my

1660
01:25:10,340 --> 01:25:08,030
life has said he's done this before

1661
01:25:11,990 --> 01:25:10,350
where i could be out of the house and I

1662
01:25:14,750 --> 01:25:12,000
you know could be gone for four seven or

1663
01:25:15,800 --> 01:25:14,760
eight hours and he won't know what time

1664
01:25:17,480 --> 01:25:15,810
I'm coming home I could be coming home

1665
01:25:20,630 --> 01:25:17,490
at 4 o'clock afternoon I could be coming

1666
01:25:22,910 --> 01:25:20,640
home at 10:00 and he'll stay where he is

1667
01:25:24,650 --> 01:25:22,920
with my wife until about half an hour

1668
01:25:26,540 --> 01:25:24,660
before I show up and he'll just get up

1669
01:25:28,580 --> 01:25:26,550
and just walk to them you know sit down

1670
01:25:31,250 --> 01:25:28,590
and wait for me well this is like the

1671
01:25:34,260 --> 01:25:31,260
cat is hospital in England or whoever it

1672
01:25:35,910 --> 01:25:34,270
was who would

1673
01:25:37,110 --> 01:25:35,920
the after patients who are about to die

1674
01:25:46,290 --> 01:25:37,120
that's just because the cat was an

1675
01:25:48,360 --> 01:25:46,300
murderer oh I've been battling

1676
01:25:49,470 --> 01:25:48,370
this illness for a long time and how

1677
01:25:50,880 --> 01:25:49,480
long think the doctor says I'm gonna

1678
01:25:58,200 --> 01:25:50,890
make it recovery they just zum-zum in

1679
01:26:01,110 --> 01:25:58,210
the cat well part of what the esoteric

1680
01:26:03,540 --> 01:26:01,120
tradition about is about is training

1681
01:26:06,270 --> 01:26:03,550
initiates to be able to distinguish

1682
01:26:07,740 --> 01:26:06,280
between synchronicities that have

1683
01:26:11,340 --> 01:26:07,750
meaning and synchronicities that are

1684
01:26:14,340 --> 01:26:11,350
just coincidences and there are ways of

1685
01:26:17,670 --> 01:26:14,350
distinguishing but it takes some

1686
01:26:19,170 --> 01:26:17,680
practice and it takes some skill but

1687
01:26:20,520 --> 01:26:19,180
there are tangible differences and you

1688
01:26:24,030 --> 01:26:20,530
should be a person should be able to

1689
01:26:25,700 --> 01:26:24,040
represent in a tangible way why this

1690
01:26:29,430 --> 01:26:25,710
looks like it's a meaningful

1691
01:26:32,130 --> 01:26:29,440
circumstance not just a coincidental one

1692
01:26:36,210 --> 01:26:32,140
and both it both are said to exist we

1693
01:26:37,650 --> 01:26:36,220
said they can't happen by accident and

1694
01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:37,660
there are certain people who will say

1695
01:26:40,290 --> 01:26:39,010
like oh there's boy when it comes to the

1696
01:26:42,330 --> 01:26:40,300
world there is no accidents everything's

1697
01:26:43,860 --> 01:26:42,340
determined by faith in the stars and

1698
01:26:46,170 --> 01:26:43,870
there are others that will state that

1699
01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:46,180
it's every single thing that happens is

1700
01:26:49,590 --> 01:26:47,770
a consequence of the action from the

1701
01:26:52,680 --> 01:26:49,600
last one or consequences that were made

1702
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:52,690
before so even even then you still don't

1703
01:26:55,410 --> 01:26:53,650
know what's going to happen unless you

1704
01:26:57,120 --> 01:26:55,420
just have that kind of a critical

1705
01:27:01,920 --> 01:26:57,130
analytical mind with regards to

1706
01:27:03,480 --> 01:27:01,930
processes but with long form

1707
01:27:05,250 --> 01:27:03,490
communication or long distance

1708
01:27:08,340 --> 01:27:05,260
communication between individuals or

1709
01:27:10,410 --> 01:27:08,350
between beings it would lead towards

1710
01:27:11,550 --> 01:27:10,420
that idea of a shared light not just a

1711
01:27:13,380 --> 01:27:11,560
higher consciousness but a shared

1712
01:27:16,470 --> 01:27:13,390
consciousness even if it's not

1713
01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:16,480
necessarily perceived and my question

1714
01:27:20,820 --> 01:27:18,610
would be the implication to what this

1715
01:27:22,130 --> 01:27:20,830
would mean to our species as a whole if

1716
01:27:25,980 --> 01:27:22,140
this is something that's actually true

1717
01:27:29,460 --> 01:27:25,990
because well and I don't have anything

1718
01:27:30,870 --> 01:27:29,470
to say that I couldn't be true the first

1719
01:27:32,970 --> 01:27:30,880
thing a person in my field of study

1720
01:27:36,300 --> 01:27:32,980
learns is that there's stuff going on

1721
01:27:37,860 --> 01:27:36,310
that we can't explain yet we're not in

1722
01:27:41,040 --> 01:27:37,870
the position yet to explain as a matter

1723
01:27:44,280 --> 01:27:41,050
of fact the lion's share of references

1724
01:27:45,780 --> 01:27:44,290
that I would come across during the

1725
01:27:47,580 --> 01:27:45,790
early especially during the early years

1726
01:27:49,830 --> 01:27:47,590
of my study were

1727
01:27:51,660 --> 01:27:49,840
the category of things that I couldn't

1728
01:27:55,560 --> 01:27:51,670
stay positively whether it was truthful

1729
01:27:57,030 --> 01:27:55,570
or not and it's only over time that you

1730
01:27:58,680 --> 01:27:57,040
get enough of a perspective on things to

1731
01:28:01,350 --> 01:27:58,690
be able to make an argument for Hawaii a

1732
01:28:05,760 --> 01:28:01,360
certain thing needs to be seen in a

1733
01:28:08,370 --> 01:28:05,770
certain way and what about the areas of

1734
01:28:09,120 --> 01:28:08,380
the Pacific where this information can

1735
01:28:11,190 --> 01:28:09,130
also be found

1736
01:28:14,630 --> 01:28:11,200
obviously Easter Island would be an easy

1737
01:28:18,750 --> 01:28:14,640
one that most people may consider as the

1738
01:28:21,630 --> 01:28:18,760
naval form for the statues on Easter

1739
01:28:23,630 --> 01:28:21,640
Island match the designs as we found to

1740
01:28:26,070 --> 01:28:23,640
on go back in go back the tibay and

1741
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:26,080
obviously this has a certain connotation

1742
01:28:28,530 --> 01:28:26,410
to it

1743
01:28:30,660 --> 01:28:28,540
so it would lead some people to believe

1744
01:28:33,410 --> 01:28:30,670
that there is a connection to them and

1745
01:28:36,180 --> 01:28:33,420
obviously if you're considering the

1746
01:28:38,700 --> 01:28:36,190
Polynesian people right well if the

1747
01:28:41,400 --> 01:28:38,710
Polynesian language is formulated on

1748
01:28:43,110 --> 01:28:41,410
these phonetics then any culture that

1749
01:28:45,150 --> 01:28:43,120
speaks Polynesian languages is a

1750
01:28:47,190 --> 01:28:45,160
potential candidate they they likely

1751
01:28:49,620 --> 01:28:47,200
were influenced about those phonetics

1752
01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:49,630
are a signature of the tradition just

1753
01:28:54,660 --> 01:28:51,850
like any culture that practices

1754
01:28:58,530 --> 01:28:54,670
circumcision or uses a cubit is it

1755
01:29:01,230 --> 01:28:58,540
probably not probably they - my point of

1756
01:29:03,240 --> 01:29:01,240
view they were clearly influenced by the

1757
01:29:05,460 --> 01:29:03,250
same Eurasian and what about Easter

1758
01:29:06,900 --> 01:29:05,470
Island does being a possible place of

1759
01:29:09,030 --> 01:29:06,910
instruction is this something that has

1760
01:29:11,310 --> 01:29:09,040
been looked into her considered I don't

1761
01:29:13,020 --> 01:29:11,320
know of a group that says that that's

1762
01:29:17,100 --> 01:29:13,030
true and I haven't studied it closely

1763
01:29:20,490 --> 01:29:17,110
enough to know if it could be true the

1764
01:29:23,280 --> 01:29:20,500
thing on Orkney Island is this the

1765
01:29:26,220 --> 01:29:23,290
megalithic structures there are set out

1766
01:29:28,350 --> 01:29:26,230
like an alphabet for matter that if if

1767
01:29:31,860 --> 01:29:28,360
you went to a place like Easter Island

1768
01:29:35,760 --> 01:29:31,870
and you saw in carved in giant stone

1769
01:29:37,410 --> 01:29:35,770
figures recognizes recognizable letters

1770
01:29:38,550 --> 01:29:37,420
of the English alphabet even if they

1771
01:29:42,120 --> 01:29:38,560
weren't all there but they were in

1772
01:29:43,410 --> 01:29:42,130
sequence B it wouldn't be take a brain

1773
01:29:45,780 --> 01:29:43,420
surgeon to figure out they were trying

1774
01:29:46,980 --> 01:29:45,790
to represent the alphabet well the same

1775
01:29:48,900 --> 01:29:46,990
thing is true on orphanage when I

1776
01:29:50,820 --> 01:29:48,910
started paying attention to what the

1777
01:29:52,980 --> 01:29:50,830
sequence of those megalithic sites were

1778
01:29:55,650 --> 01:29:52,990
and what the shapes were it's a

1779
01:29:57,920 --> 01:29:55,660
recognizable sequence to me it's a the

1780
01:30:00,390 --> 01:29:57,930
alphabet of matter spelled out in stone

1781
01:30:01,340 --> 01:30:00,400
now it's hard to imagine that that was

1782
01:30:06,530 --> 01:30:01,350
anything but

1783
01:30:09,020 --> 01:30:06,540
instructional I'm trying to be able to

1784
01:30:10,820 --> 01:30:09,030
formulate because says I always get the

1785
01:30:14,540 --> 01:30:10,830
comment and I think it was my my brother

1786
01:30:16,220 --> 01:30:14,550
who was sitting here just listening in

1787
01:30:17,900 --> 01:30:16,230
for the first half of the show and he

1788
01:30:19,310 --> 01:30:17,910
asked was like dude you like plan the

1789
01:30:20,780 --> 01:30:19,320
shows that I'm like nah cuz if I do that

1790
01:30:25,490 --> 01:30:20,790
I can't ask the really cool questions if

1791
01:30:28,130 --> 01:30:25,500
they come out and I'm the concept of

1792
01:30:30,680 --> 01:30:28,140
them the Mallory is it's a people that a

1793
01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:30,690
lot of people know and they know from

1794
01:30:38,960 --> 01:30:35,010
the haka dance from rugby and that being

1795
01:30:43,100 --> 01:30:38,970
a way to really intimidate the he'll

1796
01:30:45,320 --> 01:30:43,110
have your opposing team and there's one

1797
01:30:47,480 --> 01:30:45,330
thing for people to stand in teams Bowl

1798
01:30:49,070 --> 01:30:47,490
you know get ready for a match you know

1799
01:30:50,960 --> 01:30:49,080
you're trying to game each other out and

1800
01:30:53,870 --> 01:30:50,970
you know you play the you know like

1801
01:30:55,580 --> 01:30:53,880
depends what you saying and know like

1802
01:30:57,830 --> 01:30:55,590
these guys just get into a line and they

1803
01:30:59,570 --> 01:30:57,840
do a massive dance which is essentially

1804
01:31:02,180 --> 01:30:59,580
telling other team we are going to kill

1805
01:31:04,130 --> 01:31:02,190
you and kill you badly and then when

1806
01:31:06,860 --> 01:31:04,140
traitor you know your head like a hat

1807
01:31:08,810 --> 01:31:06,870
around if necessary as the message to

1808
01:31:10,700 --> 01:31:08,820
everyone else to not screw with us so

1809
01:31:13,160 --> 01:31:10,710
and if anybody knows anything about

1810
01:31:17,540 --> 01:31:13,170
rugby or Australian with football and

1811
01:31:19,610 --> 01:31:17,550
especially rugby the All Blacks are one

1812
01:31:22,070 --> 01:31:19,620
of the roughest teams to ever play

1813
01:31:25,400 --> 01:31:22,080
because they play harder than pretty

1814
01:31:27,920 --> 01:31:25,410
well anyone anywhere else what about the

1815
01:31:32,110 --> 01:31:27,930
the haka dance is this something that is

1816
01:31:34,670 --> 01:31:32,120
worked into your book as the symbolism

1817
01:31:38,240 --> 01:31:34,680
no actually it's not and I haven't

1818
01:31:40,400 --> 01:31:38,250
haven't compared the dance rituals of of

1819
01:31:44,960 --> 01:31:40,410
the memory with dance rituals of places

1820
01:31:48,680 --> 01:31:44,970
like the the Dogon pretty much every

1821
01:31:50,300 --> 01:31:48,690
aspect of these cultures that have done

1822
01:31:53,170 --> 01:31:50,310
a good job a careful job of preserving

1823
01:31:55,190 --> 01:31:53,180
the cosmological tradition have

1824
01:31:57,470 --> 01:31:55,200
symbolism to the more originally had

1825
01:31:59,480 --> 01:31:57,480
symbolism to them so if you dug deeply

1826
01:32:04,490 --> 01:31:59,490
enough you surely would find it with the

1827
01:32:08,810 --> 01:32:04,500
Maori the Maori it's very interesting

1828
01:32:11,000 --> 01:32:08,820
you see connections to Christianity you

1829
01:32:14,839 --> 01:32:11,010
see book of Genesis stuff with the Maori

1830
01:32:16,910 --> 01:32:14,849
but interestingly you also see

1831
01:32:18,859 --> 01:32:16,920
references that filter down to

1832
01:32:20,959 --> 01:32:18,869
Christianity go back the tempeh or

1833
01:32:26,780 --> 01:32:20,969
potentially filter down language

1834
01:32:29,240 --> 01:32:26,790
suggests that it does so it's a mixing

1835
01:32:31,479 --> 01:32:29,250
and matching of ideas part of what I do

1836
01:32:34,729 --> 01:32:31,489
with the book is demonstrate demonstrate

1837
01:32:36,260 --> 01:32:34,739
how Maori culture ties each of these

1838
01:32:39,379 --> 01:32:36,270
other traditions but gobekli tepe

1839
01:32:42,530 --> 01:32:39,389
tradition at 10,000 BC the Shakti cult

1840
01:32:45,260 --> 01:32:42,540
tradition in between the ancient

1841
01:32:48,470 --> 01:32:45,270
Egyptian culture the Dogon the Orkney

1842
01:32:50,750 --> 01:32:48,480
cultures even references ancient China

1843
01:32:53,479 --> 01:32:50,760
and Tibet places like that it's all the

1844
01:32:57,050 --> 01:32:53,489
same tradition with different aspects

1845
01:32:57,770 --> 01:32:57,060
preserved in different regions different

1846
01:32:59,510 --> 01:32:57,780
locales

1847
01:33:03,790 --> 01:32:59,520
that's the another really interesting

1848
01:33:06,169 --> 01:33:03,800
part of these studies is you never know

1849
01:33:08,990 --> 01:33:06,179
what looks like a loose end in one

1850
01:33:10,370 --> 01:33:09,000
culture is preserved in much better form

1851
01:33:12,080 --> 01:33:10,380
in another culture so you never know

1852
01:33:14,180 --> 01:33:12,090
when you start studying a new culture

1853
01:33:15,830 --> 01:33:14,190
what you might turn up something you

1854
01:33:17,479 --> 01:33:15,840
thought was insignificant might turn out

1855
01:33:19,459 --> 01:33:17,489
to have significant well for instance

1856
01:33:21,319 --> 01:33:19,469
you know Abraham stating like well isn't

1857
01:33:24,439 --> 01:33:21,329
that body posture of the hawk a link

1858
01:33:26,930 --> 01:33:24,449
look very similar to the symbol of the

1859
01:33:28,640 --> 01:33:26,940
Dogon and the mask of Kaah which is very

1860
01:33:31,370 --> 01:33:28,650
interesting because part of it at least

1861
01:33:34,040 --> 01:33:31,380
you know it was stated in the chat room

1862
01:33:36,050 --> 01:33:34,050
that well yet they would take that form

1863
01:33:38,510 --> 01:33:36,060
and then you have your hand motions but

1864
01:33:41,450 --> 01:33:38,520
you know you do have that same that same

1865
01:33:44,589 --> 01:33:41,460
position or that same posture you know

1866
01:33:47,089 --> 01:33:44,599
not having looked into the dance it is

1867
01:33:48,589 --> 01:33:47,099
you know so say something to look into

1868
01:33:51,620 --> 01:33:48,599
ladies and gentlemen I'd say do your

1869
01:33:54,830 --> 01:33:51,630
instruction in Kumar's so many subtle

1870
01:33:56,720 --> 01:33:54,840
areas of potential research here little

1871
01:33:59,240 --> 01:33:56,730
niches that someone who had an interest

1872
01:34:00,979 --> 01:33:59,250
could could look into I came into this

1873
01:34:02,780 --> 01:34:00,989
thinking that well surely there aren't

1874
01:34:04,959 --> 01:34:02,790
any questions left to be explored that

1875
01:34:08,149 --> 01:34:04,969
somebody hasn't already beaten to death

1876
01:34:09,830 --> 01:34:08,159
but in fact very often even when someone

1877
01:34:11,990 --> 01:34:09,840
has an opinion about a subject they

1878
01:34:15,709 --> 01:34:12,000
haven't really pursued it down to the

1879
01:34:17,120 --> 01:34:15,719
core of its beginning and when you do

1880
01:34:18,379 --> 01:34:17,130
that oftentimes you understand

1881
01:34:20,419 --> 01:34:18,389
understand things in a different way

1882
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:20,429
than you did when you started out and

1883
01:34:26,750 --> 01:34:23,010
what other cultures have discussed the

1884
01:34:31,880 --> 01:34:26,760
maori that have

1885
01:34:33,800 --> 01:34:31,890
it like if we if we've traced their

1886
01:34:36,950 --> 01:34:33,810
origins all the way back to possibly to

1887
01:34:38,330 --> 01:34:36,960
to to India and the the possible

1888
01:34:43,010 --> 01:34:38,340
cosmology there and then again back to

1889
01:34:47,060 --> 01:34:43,020
the Levant and on way to to Orkney how

1890
01:34:49,430 --> 01:34:47,070
have the tales or the legends within the

1891
01:34:50,540 --> 01:34:49,440
region follow them is this is something

1892
01:34:53,390 --> 01:34:50,550
that you've also looked at or if you

1893
01:34:56,020 --> 01:34:53,400
have you sure I mean there's a ok you

1894
01:34:58,900 --> 01:34:56,030
remember I go back with tempeh we have

1895
01:35:01,850 --> 01:34:58,910
three symbols that look like handbags oh

1896
01:35:05,390 --> 01:35:01,860
is the hand is on one of the pillars

1897
01:35:08,210 --> 01:35:05,400
there it's a circular hemispheric top

1898
01:35:12,920 --> 01:35:08,220
with a squared bottom takes the shape of

1899
01:35:15,320 --> 01:35:12,930
what looks just like a handbag but from

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01:35:21,710 --> 01:35:15,330
my perspective what you have a gobekli

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01:35:23,990 --> 01:35:21,720
tepe are recurring various methods of

1902
01:35:28,310 --> 01:35:24,000
restating that this is a sanctuary or a

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01:35:29,690 --> 01:35:28,320
temple in ancient times okay I had said

1904
01:35:31,550 --> 01:35:29,700
that a circle is symbolic of the

1905
01:35:33,890 --> 01:35:31,560
non-material than a square is symbolic

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01:35:36,950 --> 01:35:33,900
of the material if you reconcile those

1907
01:35:38,690 --> 01:35:36,960
two shapes it becomes a symbol for a

1908
01:35:41,780 --> 01:35:38,700
sanctuary where the non material and the

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01:35:45,080 --> 01:35:41,790
material come together mmm so that

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01:35:47,000 --> 01:35:45,090
handbag or basket shape that reconciles

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01:35:49,670 --> 01:35:47,010
a circular shape with the squared shape

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01:35:51,650 --> 01:35:49,680
is an early attempt to reconcile a add

1913
01:35:52,940 --> 01:35:51,660
basically squaring a circle it's a

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01:35:56,090 --> 01:35:52,950
method of scoring the circle

1915
01:35:58,270 --> 01:35:56,100
the Dogon cosmology is called by some

1916
01:36:01,940 --> 01:35:58,280
people sometimes referred to as the

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01:36:04,820 --> 01:36:01,950
basket cosmology well the Maori

1918
01:36:07,300 --> 01:36:04,830
tradition there's a departmental God

1919
01:36:09,920 --> 01:36:07,310
named Kane who in one of the myths

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01:36:13,820 --> 01:36:09,930
ascends to the gods and returns with

1921
01:36:15,860 --> 01:36:13,830
three baskets of knowledge so you have

1922
01:36:19,160 --> 01:36:15,870
those kinds of references that

1923
01:36:20,780 --> 01:36:19,170
potentially tie where the Maori are

1924
01:36:22,370 --> 01:36:20,790
suddenly understanding their cosmology

1925
01:36:25,010 --> 01:36:22,380
in terms of baskets just like the other

1926
01:36:27,950 --> 01:36:25,020
traditions do more specifically in terms

1927
01:36:31,040 --> 01:36:27,960
of three baskets in Iraq an early form

1928
01:36:33,230 --> 01:36:31,050
of a temple called the chai Kia was

1929
01:36:36,080 --> 01:36:33,240
characterized by three domes the tree

1930
01:36:37,979 --> 01:36:36,090
dome shapes in ancient Egypt an early

1931
01:36:39,870 --> 01:36:37,989
portable shrine called the SAS

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01:36:41,310 --> 01:36:39,880
was shaped just like those handbag

1933
01:36:45,779 --> 01:36:41,320
shapes huh

1934
01:36:47,100 --> 01:36:45,789
and I know that we've all looked at the

1935
01:36:48,720 --> 01:36:47,110
handbags and wondered what they are and

1936
01:36:50,399 --> 01:36:48,730
I know individuals and researchers such

1937
01:36:52,350 --> 01:36:50,409
as Graham Hancock have offered their

1938
01:36:54,560 --> 01:36:52,360
potential interpretations of what they

1939
01:36:56,910 --> 01:36:54,570
possibly could be and he has even

1940
01:36:59,310 --> 01:36:56,920
speculated that they could have a

1941
01:37:00,870 --> 01:36:59,320
relation to ayahuasca bags and it would

1942
01:37:01,979 --> 01:37:00,880
just lead me to believe with what you've

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01:37:04,350 --> 01:37:01,989
just told me or least not leaving to

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01:37:06,899 --> 01:37:04,360
believe I'll rephrase that it the first

1945
01:37:08,220 --> 01:37:06,909
thought that comes to mind is okay he

1946
01:37:10,979 --> 01:37:08,230
came back with three bags so it's like

1947
01:37:13,040 --> 01:37:10,989
the k-man we just got this really great

1948
01:37:19,370 --> 01:37:13,050
stuff let's let's expand our knowledge

1949
01:37:25,649 --> 01:37:23,459
so I'm possible also there's no reason

1950
01:37:28,529 --> 01:37:25,659
why these symbolic shapes couldn't also

1951
01:37:30,739 --> 01:37:28,539
take actual forms of actual objects in

1952
01:37:32,790 --> 01:37:30,749
the culture that's one of the ways that

1953
01:37:35,850 --> 01:37:32,800
knowledge was reinforced similar

1954
01:37:42,419 --> 01:37:35,860
mnemonic Li was through objects of daily

1955
01:37:44,339 --> 01:37:42,429
life and how else would would that be

1956
01:37:46,100 --> 01:37:44,349
translated into the reconciling of the

1957
01:37:48,450 --> 01:37:46,110
circle has there anything been found

1958
01:37:50,729 --> 01:37:48,460
with Maori that has related to that

1959
01:37:58,109 --> 01:37:50,739
besides just that that hand bank symbol

1960
01:37:59,640 --> 01:37:58,119
or is is that it that that's very hard

1961
01:38:01,830 --> 01:37:59,650
to say because there's so many ways of

1962
01:38:04,649 --> 01:38:01,840
doing us the traditional shape of a

1963
01:38:07,410 --> 01:38:04,659
Maori school is laid out like a

1964
01:38:11,040 --> 01:38:07,420
hemisphere it's a horseshoe shaped stone

1965
01:38:14,279 --> 01:38:11,050
structure in fact the most frequently

1966
01:38:17,520 --> 01:38:14,289
found argued archaeological form in

1967
01:38:19,169 --> 01:38:17,530
Ireland is precisely that shape in

1968
01:38:22,140 --> 01:38:19,179
Ireland they have no idea what it

1969
01:38:26,189 --> 01:38:22,150
represents for the Maori it's a village

1970
01:38:28,319 --> 01:38:26,199
school every village has one so there

1971
01:38:31,439 --> 01:38:28,329
are connections to those through those

1972
01:38:34,290 --> 01:38:31,449
concepts between IRA Ireland and and New

1973
01:38:37,290 --> 01:38:34,300
Zealand even through language that helps

1974
01:38:39,390 --> 01:38:37,300
to confirm that these these structures

1975
01:38:42,660 --> 01:38:39,400
in Ireland might have represented

1976
01:38:43,799 --> 01:38:42,670
village schools now one aspect of the

1977
01:38:45,839 --> 01:38:43,809
squaring of the circle of the

1978
01:38:47,549 --> 01:38:45,849
reconciling of the circle is an

1979
01:38:50,979 --> 01:38:47,559
interesting and I actually have this

1980
01:38:54,670 --> 01:38:50,989
here that this was brought forward by

1981
01:38:56,020 --> 01:38:54,680
Randall Carlson in one of his videos and

1982
01:38:59,620 --> 01:38:56,030
I'll see if I can bring this up here for

1983
01:39:01,630 --> 01:38:59,630
you and for all of you at home and this

1984
01:39:04,270 --> 01:39:01,640
is one one way you can square the circle

1985
01:39:05,709 --> 01:39:04,280
which is by using the relation of the

1986
01:39:09,010 --> 01:39:05,719
shape of the moon in the shape of the

1987
01:39:12,760 --> 01:39:09,020
earth and that action does square the

1988
01:39:16,300 --> 01:39:12,770
circle which blows every blew my mind

1989
01:39:17,590 --> 01:39:16,310
when I found this out and you know the

1990
01:39:19,090 --> 01:39:17,600
standard dual cable you've got a circle

1991
01:39:20,979 --> 01:39:19,100
in there then you've got a square with

1992
01:39:24,010 --> 01:39:20,989
it's just the the corners that are cut

1993
01:39:25,450 --> 01:39:24,020
off and this type of design can be seen

1994
01:39:30,370 --> 01:39:25,460
through let's say the pyramids or

1995
01:39:31,450 --> 01:39:30,380
through a place - such as well just

1996
01:39:35,530 --> 01:39:31,460
don't have to believe is also being

1997
01:39:37,240 --> 01:39:35,540
looked at here like it for this type of

1998
01:39:39,729 --> 01:39:37,250
simple isn't to be used this is more of

1999
01:39:43,890 --> 01:39:39,739
the well-known one and obviously this

2000
01:39:47,920 --> 01:39:43,900
shape could have been changed over time

2001
01:39:51,400 --> 01:39:47,930
but what do you think that right what

2002
01:39:52,840 --> 01:39:51,410
are they trying to to say beyond just

2003
01:39:56,410 --> 01:39:52,850
okay well this is a meeting place or

2004
01:39:58,000 --> 01:39:56,420
this is a place of instruction if if

2005
01:39:59,530 --> 01:39:58,010
like if it either hasn't been found or

2006
01:40:02,350 --> 01:39:59,540
if there are specific areas that have

2007
01:40:07,479 --> 01:40:02,360
been because the schools are shaped like

2008
01:40:08,830 --> 01:40:07,489
this but well one of the things that was

2009
01:40:13,420 --> 01:40:08,840
being taught of these schools was

2010
01:40:16,180 --> 01:40:13,430
astronomy and astronomic instruction

2011
01:40:19,540 --> 01:40:16,190
obviously happened at night so the

2012
01:40:21,720 --> 01:40:19,550
placement of the stones might either

2013
01:40:24,520 --> 01:40:21,730
either have facilitated that instruction

2014
01:40:27,459 --> 01:40:24,530
the same way a stone circle would could

2015
01:40:29,910 --> 01:40:27,469
or might all might actually have

2016
01:40:32,020 --> 01:40:29,920
represented exercises that were

2017
01:40:36,580 --> 01:40:32,030
preliminary to being able to build such

2018
01:40:38,970 --> 01:40:36,590
a thing as a stone circle or a stone

2019
01:40:41,080 --> 01:40:38,980
henge type site for astronomical Ewing

2020
01:40:47,440 --> 01:40:41,090
so it could be it could be a connection

2021
01:40:49,209 --> 01:40:47,450
that way without some culture flatly

2022
01:40:50,950 --> 01:40:49,219
explaining to us why they do it

2023
01:40:54,120 --> 01:40:50,960
if the Mallory could tell us flatly why

2024
01:40:56,709 --> 01:40:54,130
they did it we'd have a basis for

2025
01:41:00,040 --> 01:40:56,719
forming an opinion everything else is

2026
01:41:01,630 --> 01:41:00,050
sort of speculation one thing we haven't

2027
01:41:02,770 --> 01:41:01,640
talked about is in a long time and I

2028
01:41:04,260 --> 01:41:02,780
think we may have touched on it in our

2029
01:41:07,170 --> 01:41:04,270
first interview

2030
01:41:12,120 --> 01:41:07,180
year almost a year ago your and a half

2031
01:41:14,460 --> 01:41:12,130
ago uh which which is Chinese symbolism

2032
01:41:16,830 --> 01:41:14,470
which I don't think it gets talked about

2033
01:41:19,170 --> 01:41:16,840
very much as everyone's on the whole go

2034
01:41:22,580 --> 01:41:19,180
back to Taipei tip as it were translate

2035
01:41:25,080 --> 01:41:22,590
that three times fast people hope

2036
01:41:29,100 --> 01:41:25,090
they're so close to one another compared

2037
01:41:32,490 --> 01:41:29,110
to India or to Sri Lanka or to even the

2038
01:41:35,670 --> 01:41:32,500
levonne's how have you seen similarities

2039
01:41:37,680 --> 01:41:35,680
in that in Chinese cosmology well the

2040
01:41:39,120 --> 01:41:37,690
Chinese cosmology is fundamentally

2041
01:41:41,460 --> 01:41:39,130
similar we can demonstrate it's

2042
01:41:44,720 --> 01:41:41,470
fundamentally similar to the the other

2043
01:41:47,270 --> 01:41:44,730
cosmologies I've worked with we have

2044
01:41:50,340 --> 01:41:47,280
direct comparability between the

2045
01:41:51,830 --> 01:41:50,350
earliest Chinese hieroglyphics words and

2046
01:41:54,900 --> 01:41:51,840
the Egyptian hieroglyphic words

2047
01:41:56,880 --> 01:41:54,910
formulated in precisely the same way to

2048
01:42:01,770 --> 01:41:56,890
express the same meaning for certain

2049
01:42:05,580 --> 01:42:01,780
words we have the first two Chinese

2050
01:42:09,690 --> 01:42:05,590
deities nu WA was the mother goddess and

2051
01:42:11,370 --> 01:42:09,700
Pook C was the the Creator God in the

2052
01:42:13,950 --> 01:42:11,380
earliest representation they have in

2053
01:42:16,050 --> 01:42:13,960
China of those two deities she's holding

2054
01:42:18,180 --> 01:42:16,060
a compass to make sure the circularity

2055
01:42:19,830 --> 01:42:18,190
of the heavens and he's holding a

2056
01:42:22,110 --> 01:42:19,840
carpenter's square to measure the

2057
01:42:25,160 --> 01:42:22,120
squareness of the earth this is the

2058
01:42:28,290 --> 01:42:25,170
exact same symbolism we're talking about

2059
01:42:30,660 --> 01:42:28,300
there's a long list of signature what I

2060
01:42:33,540 --> 01:42:30,670
call signatures of the tradition where

2061
01:42:36,090 --> 01:42:33,550
if you see a culture using this

2062
01:42:37,980 --> 01:42:36,100
reference it's almost certain that they

2063
01:42:42,060 --> 01:42:37,990
were influenced by the cosmological

2064
01:42:45,690 --> 01:42:42,070
tradition any culture that imagines a

2065
01:42:49,290 --> 01:42:45,700
wheel or a chariot associated with Orion

2066
01:42:51,350 --> 01:42:49,300
is automatically in my book connected to

2067
01:42:55,110 --> 01:42:51,360
the condition the tradition I would know

2068
01:42:58,170 --> 01:42:55,120
to expect to find references that would

2069
01:43:00,000 --> 01:42:58,180
tie this is why would the Maori when

2070
01:43:01,860 --> 01:43:00,010
would I realized their concept of the

2071
01:43:02,550 --> 01:43:01,870
pole was a match for the Dogon concept

2072
01:43:05,850 --> 01:43:02,560
of the pole

2073
01:43:08,040 --> 01:43:05,860
it was almost no risk for me to start

2074
01:43:09,030 --> 01:43:08,050
exploring the Maori it was a foregone

2075
01:43:12,090 --> 01:43:09,040
conclusion there was going to be a

2076
01:43:15,390 --> 01:43:12,100
connection and China's the same way to

2077
01:43:17,180 --> 01:43:15,400
the ancient aggregate plan for

2078
01:43:19,700 --> 01:43:17,190
agriculture in China

2079
01:43:23,060 --> 01:43:19,710
is entreated in China as if it were

2080
01:43:25,160 --> 01:43:23,070
theoretical is the same plan that it's

2081
01:43:26,959 --> 01:43:25,170
actually it was actually implemented for

2082
01:43:27,800 --> 01:43:26,969
the Dogon it's called the Well field

2083
01:43:32,630 --> 01:43:27,810
plan hmm

2084
01:43:35,240 --> 01:43:32,640
the difficulty in China is that events

2085
01:43:39,740 --> 01:43:35,250
that transpired around 3000 BC or before

2086
01:43:43,010 --> 01:43:39,750
let's say before 1700 BC weren't written

2087
01:43:44,810 --> 01:43:43,020
down until around or our knowledge of

2088
01:43:48,020 --> 01:43:44,820
them comes out of texts that were

2089
01:43:49,970 --> 01:43:48,030
written down around 300 BC so we have

2090
01:43:52,520 --> 01:43:49,980
this huge gap of thousands of years

2091
01:43:55,130 --> 01:43:52,530
between when the thing happened and when

2092
01:43:57,860 --> 01:43:55,140
somebody wrote about it and so there's

2093
01:44:00,200 --> 01:43:57,870
all this a with a room for academics to

2094
01:44:02,930 --> 01:44:00,210
be debating about what did they really

2095
01:44:04,400 --> 01:44:02,940
mean by this and it's only when you put

2096
01:44:06,260 --> 01:44:04,410
it in the context of the other cultures

2097
01:44:10,939 --> 01:44:06,270
who do the same things that you can

2098
01:44:15,830 --> 01:44:10,949
firmly say this represents this and how

2099
01:44:17,330 --> 01:44:15,840
about the period around 709 BC Kosmos

2100
01:44:19,670 --> 01:44:17,340
asking this and I think this is actually

2101
01:44:22,910 --> 01:44:19,680
a really good question because if we're

2102
01:44:24,979 --> 01:44:22,920
looking at 709 BC and obviously in the

2103
01:44:30,979 --> 01:44:24,989
concept around that being that it is the

2104
01:44:32,720 --> 01:44:30,989
first time when we can pinpoint a solar

2105
01:44:34,370 --> 01:44:32,730
eclipse being recorded that then

2106
01:44:36,020 --> 01:44:34,380
proceeds on to today and it being

2107
01:44:37,160 --> 01:44:36,030
accurate and correct and before that

2108
01:44:39,860 --> 01:44:37,170
they're discrepancies with the

2109
01:44:41,540 --> 01:44:39,870
measurements so the main reason is that

2110
01:44:45,140 --> 01:44:41,550
well something had changed at that point

2111
01:44:46,459 --> 01:44:45,150
and is there any point in time where and

2112
01:44:47,720 --> 01:44:46,469
my hope to that would be is there any

2113
01:44:49,970 --> 01:44:47,730
point in time with the Mallory had

2114
01:44:53,630 --> 01:44:49,980
recorded that or try to communicate that

2115
01:44:55,430 --> 01:44:53,640
that discrepancy the memory tradition

2116
01:44:59,479 --> 01:44:55,440
from my point of view is too late to be

2117
01:45:01,790 --> 01:44:59,489
able to to be expected to have

2118
01:45:03,439 --> 01:45:01,800
references that early or to be able to

2119
01:45:06,530 --> 01:45:03,449
trust references that they have no way

2120
01:45:08,630 --> 01:45:06,540
of estimating time frames they know that

2121
01:45:10,610 --> 01:45:08,640
something they they you know they they

2122
01:45:12,590 --> 01:45:10,620
know that something happened in

2123
01:45:13,700 --> 01:45:12,600
mythological times for themselves but

2124
01:45:19,490 --> 01:45:13,710
they don't have a way of quantifying

2125
01:45:20,990 --> 01:45:19,500
when so that's a difficulty 709 BC we

2126
01:45:22,820 --> 01:45:21,000
have lots of really interesting things

2127
01:45:25,130 --> 01:45:22,830
that happened we have a major

2128
01:45:27,380 --> 01:45:25,140
fluctuation in the magnetic field that

2129
01:45:29,750 --> 01:45:27,390
nobody can explain we it's a major

2130
01:45:30,740 --> 01:45:29,760
period of volcanic activity for no

2131
01:45:35,180 --> 01:45:30,750
apparent reason

2132
01:45:37,910 --> 01:45:35,190
it was followed by major climate change

2133
01:45:40,160 --> 01:45:37,920
so that plants that have been

2134
01:45:41,450 --> 01:45:40,170
traditionally cultivated in China for

2135
01:45:44,600 --> 01:45:41,460
thousands of years suddenly couldn't be

2136
01:45:49,370 --> 01:45:44,610
grown there anymore we have a change in

2137
01:45:52,130 --> 01:45:49,380
the absorption rate of ions ready to go

2138
01:45:55,550 --> 01:45:52,140
met raya radiometric absorption rate of

2139
01:45:57,620 --> 01:45:55,560
ions in plants so that radiometric

2140
01:46:00,770 --> 01:45:57,630
dating has a problem across across that

2141
01:46:04,550 --> 01:46:00,780
boundary and we have the circumstance

2142
01:46:08,060 --> 01:46:04,560
that every total eclipse of the sun

2143
01:46:11,150 --> 01:46:08,070
since 7 on NBC has been verified to the

2144
01:46:14,480 --> 01:46:11,160
place and the date through simple math I

2145
01:46:16,580 --> 01:46:14,490
mean computer programs can do it the

2146
01:46:20,120 --> 01:46:16,590
motions of the earth and the moon and

2147
01:46:21,770 --> 01:46:20,130
the Sun should be like clockwork and if

2148
01:46:23,390 --> 01:46:21,780
they are then we should be able to

2149
01:46:26,150 --> 01:46:23,400
retrospectively calculate all these

2150
01:46:30,080 --> 01:46:26,160
eclipses but when you pass the boundary

2151
01:46:32,590 --> 01:46:30,090
of 709 BCE you can't you have forty some

2152
01:46:35,690 --> 01:46:32,600
reported total eclipses in China alone

2153
01:46:39,230 --> 01:46:35,700
that nobody has been able to verify they

2154
01:46:41,660 --> 01:46:39,240
can only best come close now the problem

2155
01:46:44,270 --> 01:46:41,670
is that the same guy who's reporting the

2156
01:46:45,680 --> 01:46:44,280
eclipses is the one who historians are

2157
01:46:47,810 --> 01:46:45,690
hanging their hats on in terms of

2158
01:46:49,940 --> 01:46:47,820
establishing historical timeline so it's

2159
01:46:52,130 --> 01:46:49,950
not like the guy's not credible this is

2160
01:46:53,900 --> 01:46:52,140
a credible observer who's reporting the

2161
01:46:55,160 --> 01:46:53,910
Eclipse and the astronomers can't

2162
01:46:57,260 --> 01:46:55,170
confirm it then the best they can come

2163
01:47:00,200 --> 01:46:57,270
up with was well maybe it was foggy that

2164
01:47:02,960 --> 01:47:00,210
morning or maybe this guy wasn't really

2165
01:47:06,170 --> 01:47:02,970
a reliable observer or whatever they

2166
01:47:07,490 --> 01:47:06,180
they can come up with and you know we've

2167
01:47:09,410 --> 01:47:07,500
got about ten minutes left on on the

2168
01:47:11,570 --> 01:47:09,420
main broadcast and again Laird you're

2169
01:47:12,980 --> 01:47:11,580
more than welcome to join us for the

2170
01:47:15,620 --> 01:47:12,990
post show if you're taking a phone call

2171
01:47:18,050 --> 01:47:15,630
or two which I think it lasts about half

2172
01:47:20,420 --> 01:47:18,060
an hour I'm getting messages saying you

2173
01:47:21,560 --> 01:47:20,430
know when the podcast is done so I don't

2174
01:47:24,020 --> 01:47:21,570
tell you too much longer if you're up to

2175
01:47:26,390 --> 01:47:24,030
it let me know if not well we can we can

2176
01:47:28,640 --> 01:47:26,400
always leave that as a you know hint or

2177
01:47:29,840 --> 01:47:28,650
as a lead for everyone else to come and

2178
01:47:32,210 --> 01:47:29,850
join us the next time you come in I'm

2179
01:47:35,210 --> 01:47:32,220
happy to hang around for a few questions

2180
01:47:37,910 --> 01:47:35,220
fantastic this regards to the Tomoko

2181
01:47:41,810 --> 01:47:37,920
tattoos which are obviously one of the

2182
01:47:44,240 --> 01:47:41,820
defining features of the Maori and some

2183
01:47:49,970 --> 01:47:44,250
Polynesian people in in particular

2184
01:47:51,230 --> 01:47:49,980
they seem to be very purposeful with how

2185
01:47:53,600 --> 01:47:51,240
they are designed and where they're

2186
01:47:55,730 --> 01:47:53,610
placed what what does your research has

2187
01:47:58,940 --> 01:47:55,740
been able to uncover regarding these if

2188
01:48:00,650 --> 01:47:58,950
anything well this is a tradition that

2189
01:48:02,650 --> 01:48:00,660
doesn't have a correlate in the other

2190
01:48:08,540 --> 01:48:02,660
other cultures that I'm dealing with but

2191
01:48:09,920 --> 01:48:08,550
part of the problem is that tattooing is

2192
01:48:11,840 --> 01:48:09,930
something that it for the most part

2193
01:48:14,510 --> 01:48:11,850
except in very rare instances we don't

2194
01:48:17,750 --> 01:48:14,520
have any indication of whether a body

2195
01:48:18,980 --> 01:48:17,760
was tattooed that's 3,000 or 5,000 years

2196
01:48:24,520 --> 01:48:18,990
old if it comes out of you know from

2197
01:48:26,360 --> 01:48:24,530
3,000 or 2000 BC the remains are too

2198
01:48:28,520 --> 01:48:26,370
deteriorated to be able to know if it

2199
01:48:29,990 --> 01:48:28,530
had been tattooed so there might well

2200
01:48:31,280 --> 01:48:30,000
have been a tattooing tradition in some

2201
01:48:33,290 --> 01:48:31,290
of these ancient cultures that we don't

2202
01:48:35,570 --> 01:48:33,300
know about that had significance it

2203
01:48:38,080 --> 01:48:35,580
would go along with the Maori hmm

2204
01:48:40,070 --> 01:48:38,090
but because we don't have other other

2205
01:48:41,840 --> 01:48:40,080
cultures to compare all the other

2206
01:48:44,180 --> 01:48:41,850
cultures I'm setting or so much older

2207
01:48:45,680 --> 01:48:44,190
than the Maori that there's an impasse

2208
01:48:48,200 --> 01:48:45,690
there I don't have a basis of comparison

2209
01:48:51,140 --> 01:48:48,210
and so I could take what the Maori say

2210
01:48:52,700 --> 01:48:51,150
at face value or but I wouldn't have a

2211
01:48:57,230 --> 01:48:52,710
way any way of anchoring that I would

2212
01:48:59,000 --> 01:48:57,240
just say this is the opinion of a priest

2213
01:49:02,060 --> 01:48:59,010
among Maori and so why this particular

2214
01:49:04,400 --> 01:49:02,070
tattoo means this particular thing other

2215
01:49:06,800 --> 01:49:04,410
less tangible forms it's easy to

2216
01:49:08,840 --> 01:49:06,810
correlate there's a concept of taboo

2217
01:49:10,820 --> 01:49:08,850
which is if you remember from your

2218
01:49:14,840 --> 01:49:10,830
Tarzan movies the concept of taboo you

2219
01:49:18,100 --> 01:49:14,850
know the the religiously religious

2220
01:49:23,360 --> 01:49:18,110
transgression that could that causes the

2221
01:49:27,650 --> 01:49:23,370
supposedly uneducated tribes people to

2222
01:49:31,180 --> 01:49:27,660
to go into a panic Tappu has to do with

2223
01:49:34,460 --> 01:49:31,190
as a concept that has to do with

2224
01:49:38,750 --> 01:49:34,470
basically symbolic purity or ritualistic

2225
01:49:40,850 --> 01:49:38,760
purity the Dogon have the concept we see

2226
01:49:43,850 --> 01:49:40,860
concept the concept of is in Egypt we

2227
01:49:46,910 --> 01:49:43,860
see it among the Maori it's an acquired

2228
01:49:49,550 --> 01:49:46,920
State it comes from transgressions

2229
01:49:53,630 --> 01:49:49,560
basically even in modern Judaism you see

2230
01:49:55,639 --> 01:49:53,640
it that in modern Judaism if there's a

2231
01:49:58,639 --> 01:49:55,649
burial in a cemetery

2232
01:50:01,699 --> 01:49:58,649
when the people of the burial retired to

2233
01:50:04,219 --> 01:50:01,709
the house for a reception afterwards

2234
01:50:06,259 --> 01:50:04,229
they always wash their hands before they

2235
01:50:08,209 --> 01:50:06,269
go into the house a pitcher of water is

2236
01:50:09,649 --> 01:50:08,219
left out for them to ritually cleanse

2237
01:50:12,469 --> 01:50:09,659
their hands before they step into the

2238
01:50:17,869 --> 01:50:12,479
house this is a spiritual cleansing of a

2239
01:50:20,089 --> 01:50:17,879
taboo a taboo okay so that that kind of

2240
01:50:23,299 --> 01:50:20,099
thing with that can't deteriorate over

2241
01:50:26,569 --> 01:50:23,309
time we're able to form a basis of

2242
01:50:28,790 --> 01:50:26,579
comparison we have based on rituals

2243
01:50:30,830 --> 01:50:28,800
based on language based on architectural

2244
01:50:34,759 --> 01:50:30,840
forms based on things like if they were

2245
01:50:36,500 --> 01:50:34,769
built in stone and so forth but anything

2246
01:50:37,279 --> 01:50:36,510
that has to do with the the state or

2247
01:50:39,290 --> 01:50:37,289
condition of the body

2248
01:50:43,369 --> 01:50:39,300
I mean even the question of pygmies is

2249
01:50:46,879 --> 01:50:43,379
highly controversial in New Zealand and

2250
01:50:49,270 --> 01:50:46,889
in the UK of short-statured people you

2251
01:50:52,399 --> 01:50:49,280
have many circumstances on Orkney where

2252
01:50:57,290 --> 01:50:52,409
somebody who's not medically qualified

2253
01:50:59,060 --> 01:50:57,300
comes across a skeleton that's so small

2254
01:51:02,989 --> 01:50:59,070
that they presume it must be the

2255
01:51:05,149 --> 01:51:02,999
skeleton of a child and then it's

2256
01:51:06,229 --> 01:51:05,159
supposedly sent off for testing and you

2257
01:51:07,909 --> 01:51:06,239
never hear it somehow never hear

2258
01:51:09,889 --> 01:51:07,919
confirmation back about whether it was

2259
01:51:13,759 --> 01:51:09,899
officially determined to be the skeleton

2260
01:51:16,520 --> 01:51:13,769
of a child or not you had one where a

2261
01:51:20,419 --> 01:51:16,530
recent one where it was cited as the

2262
01:51:22,609 --> 01:51:20,429
first case of rickets in the UK it's a

2263
01:51:24,709 --> 01:51:22,619
vitamin D deficiency they're presuming

2264
01:51:27,589 --> 01:51:24,719
that the reason this body was so short

2265
01:51:30,379 --> 01:51:27,599
statured was because a guy who spent all

2266
01:51:32,889 --> 01:51:30,389
of his time out in the sunlight had

2267
01:51:35,569 --> 01:51:32,899
developed rickets a vitamin D deficiency

2268
01:51:38,029 --> 01:51:35,579
hmm now again the body was sent off for

2269
01:51:41,810 --> 01:51:38,039
testing I can't find any reference to

2270
01:51:43,879 --> 01:51:41,820
results as a result of that testing so

2271
01:51:46,219 --> 01:51:43,889
there's never a clear statement well yes

2272
01:51:49,189 --> 01:51:46,229
this really was it really did turn out

2273
01:51:51,020 --> 01:51:49,199
to be that or is it possible that they

2274
01:51:52,520 --> 01:51:51,030
had somebody stumbled across a short

2275
01:51:57,500 --> 01:51:52,530
statured person that goes along with

2276
01:51:59,000 --> 01:51:57,510
these controversial traditions and so

2277
01:52:00,619 --> 01:51:59,010
it's a possibility it could have been

2278
01:52:02,509 --> 01:52:00,629
picked up from just another culture as

2279
01:52:06,589 --> 01:52:02,519
they went along and not necessarily

2280
01:52:07,879 --> 01:52:06,599
related directly to their listen to the

2281
01:52:11,479 --> 01:52:07,889
instruction

2282
01:52:13,310 --> 01:52:11,489
which it could buy beer might not be and

2283
01:52:15,399 --> 01:52:13,320
I don't have a basis for knowing without

2284
01:52:18,470 --> 01:52:15,409
finding another culture a living culture

2285
01:52:22,399 --> 01:52:18,480
that still does it and understands why

2286
01:52:24,439 --> 01:52:22,409
they do it or if they even have a proper

2287
01:52:28,490 --> 01:52:24,449
term for it the language can often point

2288
01:52:29,660 --> 01:52:28,500
me to to what the intention was in the

2289
01:52:31,669 --> 01:52:29,670
absence of that I don't having to work

2290
01:52:33,109 --> 01:52:31,679
on oh and speaking of not having

2291
01:52:34,839 --> 01:52:33,119
anything to work on it's very rarely

2292
01:52:37,790 --> 01:52:34,849
that you're not working on something and

2293
01:52:41,030 --> 01:52:37,800
what would new projects what exciting

2294
01:52:44,120 --> 01:52:41,040
things do I have to look forward to well

2295
01:52:46,189 --> 01:52:44,130
as as it turns out from my perspective

2296
01:52:48,109 --> 01:52:46,199
and from the Duggan perspective and the

2297
01:52:50,689 --> 01:52:48,119
perspective of the samkhya philosophy

2298
01:52:51,200 --> 01:52:50,699
which is the ancient cosmology in the

2299
01:52:54,530 --> 01:52:51,210
archaic

2300
01:52:56,720 --> 01:52:54,540
cosmology the dynamics of how matter

2301
01:52:59,629 --> 01:52:56,730
forms of how creation happens are pretty

2302
01:53:01,850 --> 01:52:59,639
simple there's a handful of dynamics

2303
01:53:05,299 --> 01:53:01,860
that play out in parallel form all the

2304
01:53:09,830 --> 01:53:05,309
way up the scale very simple ones and

2305
01:53:11,930 --> 01:53:09,840
they basically have to do with the fact

2306
01:53:14,089 --> 01:53:11,940
that when two energetic streams come

2307
01:53:16,010 --> 01:53:14,099
together they tend to spin and spinning

2308
01:53:19,250 --> 01:53:16,020
creates what's called angular momentum

2309
01:53:21,339 --> 01:53:19,260
and many of the key Dogon symbols that

2310
01:53:24,100 --> 01:53:21,349
represent core concepts of creation

2311
01:53:28,339 --> 01:53:24,110
represent facets of angular momentum

2312
01:53:32,600 --> 01:53:28,349
this is the one of the the keys to our

2313
01:53:34,189 --> 01:53:32,610
energy a matter which energy

2314
01:53:36,649 --> 01:53:34,199
materializes as man or even in the

2315
01:53:38,209 --> 01:53:36,659
scientific view so that a lot of my

2316
01:53:43,549 --> 01:53:38,219
focus of attention has been on trying to

2317
01:53:45,140 --> 01:53:43,559
understand both how those dynamics one

2318
01:53:50,350 --> 01:53:45,150
of the stages of those down in dynamics

2319
01:53:52,459 --> 01:53:50,360
are and trying to correlate those to the

2320
01:53:54,500 --> 01:53:52,469
ancient deities that were meant to

2321
01:53:56,000 --> 01:53:54,510
represent them because the attributes of

2322
01:53:58,549 --> 01:53:56,010
the deities give me some more insight

2323
01:54:00,520 --> 01:53:58,559
into the dynamics and so I've been

2324
01:54:03,379 --> 01:54:00,530
spending a lot of time working on that

2325
01:54:05,060 --> 01:54:03,389
my book project at the moment is a

2326
01:54:07,729 --> 01:54:05,070
manuscript called the plan of the

2327
01:54:10,939 --> 01:54:07,739
ancient cosmology and I'm taking it as

2328
01:54:13,069 --> 01:54:10,949
an opportunity to discuss from the

2329
01:54:17,710 --> 01:54:13,079
perspective of whoever put this symbolic

2330
01:54:20,150 --> 01:54:17,720
system together what

2331
01:54:23,420 --> 01:54:20,160
indications of intention we can see what

2332
01:54:25,250 --> 01:54:23,430
considerations you can observe there are

2333
01:54:30,020 --> 01:54:25,260
there's a certain effect that fascinates

2334
01:54:33,020 --> 01:54:30,030
me where you can see that there was an

2335
01:54:36,800 --> 01:54:33,030
intended result but the intended result

2336
01:54:38,540 --> 01:54:36,810
was not carried out perfectly you see

2337
01:54:40,430 --> 01:54:38,550
this with the arms carved on the pillars

2338
01:54:42,380 --> 01:54:40,440
of Gobekli Tepe it took me a long time

2339
01:54:45,230 --> 01:54:42,390
to understand that those were meant to

2340
01:54:49,460 --> 01:54:45,240
represent the concept of a familial

2341
01:54:51,400 --> 01:54:49,470
embrace a warm familial embrace but the

2342
01:54:53,390 --> 01:54:51,410
way they're implemented on the pillars

2343
01:54:55,280 --> 01:54:53,400
it's the last thing you would guess

2344
01:54:57,470 --> 01:54:55,290
artistically is that is what it meant is

2345
01:54:59,780 --> 01:54:57,480
meant to represent it doesn't convey any

2346
01:55:04,220 --> 01:54:59,790
of the nuance of warmth that you would

2347
01:55:05,780 --> 01:55:04,230
need to get that and so those situations

2348
01:55:09,500 --> 01:55:05,790
where there's an effort to do something

2349
01:55:11,180 --> 01:55:09,510
but it's done less than perfectly shine

2350
01:55:13,460 --> 01:55:11,190
some lights on the intentions and

2351
01:55:15,470 --> 01:55:13,470
capabilities of whoever put the system

2352
01:55:17,600 --> 01:55:15,480
together and that happens at various

2353
01:55:20,530 --> 01:55:17,610
stages along the way where there's some

2354
01:55:22,910 --> 01:55:20,540
inexplicable change that was made and

2355
01:55:24,560 --> 01:55:22,920
trying to understand why was this why

2356
01:55:26,810 --> 01:55:24,570
was it transferred from this idea to

2357
01:55:29,690 --> 01:55:26,820
that idea you can gain some insights

2358
01:55:33,440 --> 01:55:29,700
into what what the mindset was of

2359
01:55:35,950 --> 01:55:33,450
whoever put the system together I can't

2360
01:55:38,270 --> 01:55:35,960
wait for that one and I can't wait for

2361
01:55:41,420 --> 01:55:38,280
the ability to read it and then have you

2362
01:55:44,720 --> 01:55:41,430
want again down the road as is tradition

2363
01:55:46,340 --> 01:55:44,730
I will make sure that I ask you it a lot

2364
01:55:49,190 --> 01:55:46,350
earlier on and make sure that your

2365
01:55:53,660 --> 01:55:49,200
schedule is permitting from you know can

2366
01:55:55,360 --> 01:55:53,670
be fit in and hopefully before I

2367
01:55:58,490 --> 01:55:55,370
actually published another book

2368
01:56:00,230 --> 01:55:58,500
sometimes the timeframes a lot with

2369
01:56:04,100 --> 01:56:00,240
publishers these days lead times on

2370
01:56:05,810 --> 01:56:04,110
books expand even for somebody like an

2371
01:56:08,060 --> 01:56:05,820
Andrew Collins that could be an hour a

2372
01:56:09,560 --> 01:56:08,070
year and a half wait from the time he

2373
01:56:15,170 --> 01:56:09,570
submits a manuscript to the time that

2374
01:56:16,580 --> 01:56:15,180
books published so sometimes it's the

2375
01:56:18,110 --> 01:56:16,590
Liffey well I thought time I may

2376
01:56:20,090 --> 01:56:18,120
actually have my my daughter hanging

2377
01:56:21,380 --> 01:56:20,100
around my neck at that point we're just

2378
01:56:24,020 --> 01:56:21,390
doing the show and she's just like

2379
01:56:26,480 --> 01:56:24,030
pulling on my arms okay dad you're doing

2380
01:56:30,470 --> 01:56:26,490
yet no I want to talk to Laird I want to

2381
01:56:35,960 --> 01:56:32,600
well some of the best cat questions come

2382
01:56:37,970 --> 01:56:35,970
from the the mind that have least or the

2383
01:56:40,340 --> 01:56:37,980
fewest preconceptions so when she when

2384
01:56:46,180 --> 01:56:40,350
she asks you it's like lyric did the

2385
01:56:47,960 --> 01:56:46,190
ancient dog on half feet then you know

2386
01:56:50,710 --> 01:56:47,970
stick around everyone we're gonna be

2387
01:56:54,470 --> 01:56:50,720
spooling up the the after show in about

2388
01:56:57,350 --> 01:56:54,480
ten minutes so let's see it's 10:20

2389
01:57:00,890 --> 01:56:57,360
right now 10:30 we go alive again patron

2390
01:57:04,700 --> 01:57:00,900
calm actually to get the answer music on

2391
01:57:09,170 --> 01:57:04,710
there patreon.com forward slash ten of

2392
01:57:13,700 --> 01:57:09,180
lore or you can hit me up at the den of

2393
01:57:15,770 --> 01:57:13,710
Lord calm forward slash I'll just go to

2394
01:57:18,920 --> 01:57:15,780
dental or calm hit donate donate via

2395
01:57:20,390 --> 01:57:18,930
PayPal and I want to get the email I

2396
01:57:22,010 --> 01:57:20,400
will send you the link for the after

2397
01:57:23,840 --> 01:57:22,020
show we're gonna take a few phone calls

2398
01:57:27,080 --> 01:57:23,850
and discuss so the information out there

2399
01:57:29,260 --> 01:57:27,090
I can't wait for next week next week

2400
01:57:33,650 --> 01:57:29,270
starting Monday again we didn't have

2401
01:57:35,810 --> 01:57:33,660
enigmas and this Monday due to well

2402
01:57:37,910 --> 01:57:35,820
there was a that was a birthday or

2403
01:57:39,470 --> 01:57:37,920
something in the family with Michael

2404
01:57:41,210 --> 01:57:39,480
we're gonna be returning to that on

2405
01:57:44,270 --> 01:57:41,220
Monday and again crippled

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crypto corner we had a great show this

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past week with Denver and we're gonna

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continue on and we may be bringing back

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some information on giants whom we're

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still working on the great book a met up

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renown and this men of renown right

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right here I believe is still tapped to

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write our intro and I could not have

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asked for a better person to do it so

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for me to you to everyone out there

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thank you very much for listening in

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today have yourselves a wonderful

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weekend do not stay in the Sun too long

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and if you do make sure you bring some

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aloe vera or your sunscreen